Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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not really

legalism is the death of actual freedom in Christ...which is your understanding now as you say you were set free

Jesus makes so much sense which is one reason the devil wants us to dismiss His words even though He was always with God

how on earth can someone dismiss what He says as not for them? then excuse saying that with 'you must follow the law if you apply His words to the current century'

it illustrates a very poor understanding of the comprehensive, eternal and relevant word of God we call the Bible

so much more could be said there, but no point IMO
If you look at the pharisee, and even the religious in here, they are mastors of picking verses out, and making it appear to come from God, and in our flesh it is hard to argue thats why it is so easy for so many to fall for it (satan is not a fool)

Take the KJV only argument, the james argument, the OT people being saved by law argument, the true believers would never commit these sins argument. And many more, (i bought into many of these)

We look at them now and say how can anyone believe these things, well when you look at it from a teaching perspective, its easy to see when this is what you were taught all your life, how hard is it to see otherwise.
 

Marcelo

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you know, I had a little hope...silly me. you are determined to be right at the cost of the truth

Jesus ALSO said this:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18

so you better get busy because
Jesus was talking to YOU since heaven and earth has not yet passed away

as you prefer to carve up the word, I thought you would like a bite out of some of it. better get your law keepers kit together and find someone to offer sacrifices for you

according to your own words, the audience is you since heaven and earth have not passed away

I expect you will be busy for many years to come and probably will no longer post here in your haste to follow Jesus words to YOU
Heaven and earth has not yet passed away and therefore we Christians are supposed to keep the whole law of Moses, right? Oh, now I see you're a law pusher! I hadn't realized that before; I thought you were advocating that the New Covenant came into effect at the beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry. Well, well, well, so I presume you regard Paul as a false apostle, right?
 

Blik

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Jesus fulfilled the law of moses.

The law was all about him,
The law is NOT about Jesus. The law is God's guidance for us to live a life here of abundance, in the complete sense of the word. The law explains what kills and what gives life.

If the law is obeyed legalistically only it is not the obedience God tells us of. Because it is possible to obey that way is NOT a reason to throw out the law of God.

We are not under the law when we have Christ and also have repentance, and because we are not under the law for damnation it is not a reason to throw out the law.

Because we can't obey all law perfectly it is NOT a reason to get rid of God's law.

Because sin is disobeying law, and sin kills, it also is not a reason to toss out the law. The law is holy, the law is for our benefit, the law is good.
 

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If what you assert here is the "whole truth" on the matter, then either the translators selected the wrong words, or Paul was a heretic.
The assertion is not mine, it's David Bivin's, an Old Testament scholar.
 

Blik

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What

Whatever dude,

You have some serious issues you need to take care off.
My issues are with the people who are gunning for God's law that is given to us for our benefit, God's holy and perfect law. People who rip the 119th Psalm out of their bibles. People who try to put dirt on God's Holy law.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Good article. I agree with it
Good to know. Thanks.

Can I ask you PERSONAlLY: How do you feel about CONVERTS to judaism and their offspring? Are they "Israel" too? Meaning if Joe Shmoe converts today, starts a jewish family, then two generations later the offspring is still orthodox jews, are they considered authentic 'Israelites' in your opinion?

I ask cause there are conversions mentioned in the OT and because rabbis today insist that even many of them are "sons of converts"
I've been trying to consider why it would matter, but I think I am not quite understanding the reason for your inquiry here.

So let me ask you (for further clarity), are you asking because you are concerned where such a person would fit in God's scheme of things [His plans]? or what? Just asking. Thanks.
 
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The law is NOT about Jesus. The law is God's guidance for us to live a life here of abundance, in the complete sense of the word. The law explains what kills and what gives life.
You want to belive that feel free, but scripture says otherwise. You obey the law perfectly and still be a sinner, because the law has no capacity to show you every sin, that was jesus point on the sermon on the mount.

If the law is obeyed legalistically only it is not the obedience God tells us of. Because it is possible to obey that way is NOT a reason to throw out the law of God.
You cant obey the law period, thats why the law was given to prove your a sinner, so no one has any excuse, then to also show what must be done to be forgive once you break the law.

Would you want to know how to be obedient, and not focus on what probes your guilt?

We are not under the law when we have Christ and also have repentance, and because we are not under the law for damnation it is not a reason to throw out the law.

Because we can't obey all law perfectly it is NOT a reason to get rid of God's law.

Because sin is disobeying law, and sin kills, it also is not a reason to toss out the law. The law is holy, the law is for our benefit, the law is good.
Paul said once the law has done its job, we are no longer under a tutor,

He also said if we demand we must follow one part (in that example Circumcision) your indebted to obey ever word, which no one can do

Your argument is against paul, not me.


The law is good, as long as their are unbelievers who have not been led to christ, the law is still in use.

For the believer, the law has done its job, as believers we are to now focus on God, not the law, which can only condem
 
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My issues are with the people who are gunning for God's law that is given to us for our benefit, God's holy and perfect law. People who rip the 119th Psalm out of their bibles. People who try to put dirt on God's Holy law.
Yeah,

Well my issue is against those people trying to put people back under law and removing them from grace, which is basically spitting on Gods law, paul spent most of hs writting fighting the jews for doing that, did paul make a mistake?

Yet you will not see make stupid remarks like you keep making to me which does nothing to prove your point, you will see me refute your words with scriture and what i see,,
 

Blik

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You want to belive that feel free, but scripture says otherwise. You obey the law perfectly and still be a sinner, because the law has no capacity to show you every sin, that was jesus point on the sermon on the mount.


You cant obey the law period, thats why the law was given to prove your a sinner, so no one has any excuse, then to also show what must be done to be forgive once you break the law.

Would you want to know how to be obedient, and not focus on what probes your guilt?



Paul said once the law has done its job, we are no longer under a tutor,

He also said if we demand we must follow one part (in that example Circumcision) your indebted to obey ever word, which no one can do

Your argument is against paul, not me.

The law is good, as long as their are unbelievers who have not been led to christ, the law is still in use.

For the believer, the law has done its job, as believers we are to now focus on God, not the law, which can only condem
Why are you speaking of perfect obedience? Would you please get off that down a dark alley band box!! You don't find this perfect obedience in scripture, unless it was when Christ told us to be perfect.

If you want to ignore all God speaks to you about, keep it to yourself, we don't want to hear about it. People love the Lord and listen to His voice, you go off by yourself and speak to yourself, please.

If Paul was here to defend himself he would tell you in strong words that he was not against the law as you are, and would not appreciate you accusing Him of teaching such crap. Christ would also not appreciate you using His name to teach not listening to God as God teaches you.
 

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Not being familiar with forums like this it certainty gives a great insight into why the Church has virtually become irrelevant. The question was posed " Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only" ? Many contributors do not even give the courtesy to even look at question, and outside of a very few individuals the comments are off tropic where individual favorite doctrines aired with the end result being a multitude of subjects being carries on at the same time i say that an approach to being His witness would turn even the most strident seeker of Gods truth to look for the nearest exit, it has been said to me how many people have i led to Christ, the better question is how many people have been turned away by behavior such as i have experienced here.
 

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Many contributors do not even give the courtesy to even look at question, and outside of a very few individuals the comments are off tropic where individual favorite doctrines aired with the end result being a multitude of subjects being carries on at the same time i say that an approach to being His witness would turn even the most strident seeker of Gods truth to look for the nearest exit, […].
My apologies if I've gone "off topic" (in any given thread), I often do, I know. I sometimes forget "which thread" [topic] I am actually IN, when posting something... Please forgive me (if I have done so here).
 
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Why are you speaking of perfect obedience? Would you please get off that down a dark alley band box!! You don't find this perfect obedience in scripture, unless it was when Christ told us to be perfect.
Do you ever study?

Gal 3 - 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Deut 27: 26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen


Or are you like others, and words do not mean what they say?


If you want to ignore all God speaks to you about, keep it to yourself, we don't want to hear about it. People love the Lord and listen to His voice, you go off by yourself and speak to yourself, please.

If Paul was here to defend himself he would tell you in strong words that he was not against the law as you are, and would not appreciate you accusing Him of teaching such crap. Christ would also not appreciate you using His name to teach not listening to God as God teaches you.
If you want to ignore the word of God, thats on you my friend.
 

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My apologies if I've gone "off topic" (in any given thread), I often do, I know. I sometimes forget "which thread" [topic] I am actually IN, when posting something... Please forgive me (if I have done so here).
I know that we can sometimes lose the subject matter and be drawn away and i do not seek to change peoples behavior, but there is a wider audience than those that comment and we need to have them in mind when we represent the coming King and your honesty is appreciated
 

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Heaven and earth has not yet passed away and therefore we Christians are supposed to keep the whole law of Moses, right? Oh, now I see you're a law pusher! I hadn't realized that before; I thought you were advocating that the New Covenant came into effect at the beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry. Well, well, well, so I presume you regard Paul as a false apostle, right?

no no! just you since you wish to divide up what Jesus said

you don't see the truth and you have not realized anything

now go look up the meaning of the word 'sarcasm'

and on it goes :rolleyes:
 

7seasrekeyed

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Not being familiar with forums like this it certainty gives a great insight into why the Church has virtually become irrelevant. The question was posed " Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only" ? Many contributors do not even give the courtesy to even look at question, and outside of a very few individuals the comments are off tropic where individual favorite doctrines aired with the end result being a multitude of subjects being carries on at the same time i say that an approach to being His witness would turn even the most strident seeker of Gods truth to look for the nearest exit, it has been said to me how many people have i led to Christ, the better question is how many people have been turned away by behavior such as i have experienced here.
especially if they disagreed with what you propose in your op

The audience of the Gospels was centered on the lost sheep of the house of Israel and the preaching of the Kingdom was the message.
frankly, I think your 'message' detracts from the intent and truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ

you of course disagree; so therefore, in your eyes, this is a terrible site...quote: the behavior you have experienced 'here'

the nerve of us daring to disagree with you :eek:
 

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Again, have you people heard of Nineveh?

Are you saying if a gentil had faith they would not be saved????
They would be saved, but only by going thru Israel, and to follow the law of Moses, like all of them.

Don't anticipate revelation, the gospel of grace where Gentiles are saved, apart from works, only came in after the Jews stoned Stephen.
 

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No..............regarding question of OP
 

Guojing

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No..............regarding question of OP
If you ask whether Malachi was written specifically to the Jews, I think most Christians would agree.

But just because our bibles placed the 4 Gospels at the beginning of the New Testament, most people automatically think they are written to the Church. Its understandable though, too many churches largely preach from the 4 Gospels.
 

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If you ask whether Malachi was written specifically to the Jews, I think most Christians would agree.

But just because our bibles placed the 4 Gospels at the beginning of the New Testament, most people automatically think they are written to the Church. Its understandable though, too many churches largely preach from the 4 Gospels.
The first church was comprised of Jews. To say Jesus, a Jew, did not originally speak his message to his brother and sister Jews is beyond reason. He didn't come as the Messiah foretold in the prophets and the law only to come and do away with that which brought him about. It's like some believe the Jews were praying for the messiah to come and replace them with those from the nations. I really want to know were God said that. "I'll come and save you myself, by replacing you with others and giving them your blessings"..... "they will mock you all the days of your life because you refused to come to me..." Yea... 'we found the One spoken about in the prophets and the law!!! He is Jesus! Please save us Jews!!! …. No, no Jesus for you Jews! As if the disciples were not Jewish? All this stems from replacement theology.

Of course Jesus message was given to the Jews. All God's gifts are given to the Jews to give to the nations. That doesn't mean God leaves Israel giftless. In fact just the opposite. Israel's gift is to have God's sanctuary among them forever, thus proving to the nations that He is God. The message is for both of us. He gave it to us to give to you. But some have ripped it out of our hands in an attempt to beat us with it. And THAT is not the heart of God.