Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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When it is all boiled down the Bible must be read in context and the sure rule of basic grammar as to who is speaking, to whom and what is the subject matter and do not read a single verse in isolation. When it comes to the matter under discussion and the Jews were not the target audience alone, then there must be a raft of contradictions in the text and i cannot go down that path, our Lord is the culmination of so many prophetic scriptures that to say that Gentiles are included as His target audience makes a nonsense of His other sheep which are not of the same sheepfold as the Jews.
" the testimony of jesus is the spirit of prophecy"
You can find that in rev.
So factor that in,that his testimony can not be separated from the prophetic.
You really think Jesus was oblivious as to who he came for.

Clue, jn 3:16

He even told you in mat 21.

But since you don't bother with non pauline books, you remain in a made up doctrine
 

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In 2 Corinthians 12:12 (in the section where Paul is vindicating his apostleship, chpts 10-12 at the very least, tho the entire 2nd Cor could be examined to show this context), Paul states, "12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds." There are no "apostles" today.
Apostles are just those sent out ones in power,calling and anointing to start churches.
Silly to just assume nodody does that under the same anointing and power of the ones in the bible.

You cant make up stuff that you assume ceased because you dont walk in it or think you need it.

What else ceased besides God showing up in power,healing people,saving souls without a evangelist,and missionaries?

Gods power and ministry only ceased in backslidden luke warm mental churches and leaders.

Most pauline adherants are cessationists. ....... Hmmmmm
 

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No they weren't

You made that up
Job_13:16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.

Psa_3:8 Salvation belongs unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.

Psa_9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.

Psa_13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.

Psa_14:7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD brings back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
 

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He said follow me as I follow Christ.
So you would be wrong and no Jesus never ceased. You have no basis. None.
You made that up.
A miracle does not need your permission or to fit your powerless religion.

Again lets see you imitate paul or cease preaching such a tiny cross section of his COMMAND to follow him.
Once again you attack, attack, and attack with no Scripture. Quote Scripture and then we can discuss. Thanks.
 

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Job_13:16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.

Psa_3:8 Salvation belongs unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah.

Psa_9:14 That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.

Psa_13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.

Psa_14:7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD brings back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Amen friend.
Salvation is of the Lord.
Not paul.
That is our starting place,not pitting Jesus against paul.
 

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Once again you attack, attack, and attack with no Scripture. Quote Scripture and then we can discuss. Thanks.
Busting a convaluted doctrine is concept vs concept.
I have no personal beef with you or any pauline.
I go eat 2 or 3 times a week with a legal pauline. We are friends and disagree passionately.
Lively debate invokes study if calm heads prevail
 

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^ How could he (your friend) be "a legal pauline" when Paul said: "[Romans 6:14-15] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." [not to mention Rom7:4 "you have been put to death to the law by means of the body of Christ..."]
 

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The messaged preached by Jesus to His own people the Jews and rejected by those that had the power to act on their rejection in the 4 Gospels paved the way for the other sheep, the Gentiles to be grafted into Gods plan for mankind. To not understand this will cause so many false converts to become part of the Church and cause the situation we see around us today. We have lost sight of our roots steeped in Judaism we have indeed thrown the baby out with the bath water and replaced it with something ugly and read ourselves into the 4 Gospels without any conscience whatsoever, the 4 Gospels are Gods message to the children of Israel not Gentile dogs as Jesus us.
 

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We do agree, except for your words "a mere shadow". That seems to me belittling to a shadow, something that has the same form and shape of what it shadows, a miracle.
I am using Hebrews 8:5
 

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The messaged preached by Jesus to His own people the Jews and rejected by those that had the power to act on their rejection in the 4 Gospels paved the way for the other sheep, the Gentiles to be grafted into Gods plan for mankind. To not understand this will cause so many false converts to become part of the Church and cause the situation we see around us today. We have lost sight of our roots steeped in Judaism we have indeed thrown the baby out with the bath water and replaced it with something ugly and read ourselves into the 4 Gospels without any conscience whatsoever, the 4 Gospels are Gods message to the children of Israel not Gentile dogs as Jesus us.
The gospel has nothing to do with the flesh of any nation. Throwing out the gentiles with the water of the word and replacing it with Jewish flesh as oral traditions of men as a law of the fathers would not represent the gospel.

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.
 

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The gospel has nothing to do with the flesh of any nation. Throwing out the gentiles with the water of the word and replacing it with Jewish flesh as oral traditions of men as a law of the fathers would not represent the gospel.

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.
Using only Johns Gospel which scriptures do you feel free to apply to yourself some of them or all of them?
 

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Using only Johns Gospel which scriptures do you feel free to apply to yourself some of them or all of them?
John's gospel (the gospel of Christ) is not a remnant of faith but the whole nine yards or none. Its altogether one cohesive gospel Genesis through Revelation
 

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Using only Johns Gospel which scriptures do you feel free to apply to yourself some of them or all of them?
Give an example of the severe church error of taking the Gospels as Jesus example for the church.
What dangerous ground am i on?
Be specific. There must be tons of examples of this kiss of death that is being preached.
 

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^ How could he (your friend) be "a legal pauline" when Paul said: "[Romans 6:14-15] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." [not to mention Rom7:4 "you have been put to death to the law by means of the body of Christ..."]
By legalistically putting others under false ordinances.
By placing burdens on others that take the non pauline books as relevant,demanding they must do to the letter any comand that is non aplicable that you guys seem to think is required for seeing the gospels and other non pauline books as FOR the church today.

That " all in or all out" yoke is for others, but is not part of the council of seeing the bible as inspired.

Nobody is building an ark or throwing Jezebel witches out windows that takes the O T or nt books as real,and inspired, and written by heaven to man.
 

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Give an example of the severe church error of taking the Gospels as Jesus example for the church.
What dangerous ground am i on?
Be specific. There must be tons of examples of this kiss of death that is being preached.
John chapter fourteen is a chapter where the audience is identified and questions were asked by Thomas verse 5 Philip verse 8 and Judas verse 22 and Christs responses.
 

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John chapter fourteen is a chapter where the audience is identified and questions were asked by Thomas verse 5 Philip verse 8 and Judas verse 22 and Christs responses.
I don't get it.
I read it.
No boggey man there friend
Any other "dangerous" passeges in the gospels.
 

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Defining The Terms
A "Proof text" is a particular verse or passage of Scripture quoted in support of a given subject.
"Context" means the part of a text or statement that surrounds that particular word or passage and determines its meaning. No passage in any written document can be assumed to be independent from its setting. Thus, in the vast majority of cases the meaning of a particular passage can only be properly understood by also reading the text surrounding it. Scripture is no different.
"Interpret" means how a person understands a particular verse or passage.
Out-of-context proof texts are used to convey whatever meaning the speaker/author wishes them to convey with little opposition. This can be unintentional because the person like their audience doesn't know any better. And it can intentional - done to persuade us that whatever point of view or doctrine the person is pushing is based on Biblical truth. Tragically, most Christians seem to be quite content to let this happen. Is this because studying for oneself takes time, effort and dedication?

Interpretation of Scripture - Whose?
It is far from uncommon to hear people claim that one person's interpretation of Scripture is just as legitimate as anyone else's. However, this is - to put it mildly, impossible.
Certainly, just as anyone who still wishes to believe that the earth is flat is entitled to do so, you are entitled to interpret Biblical text any way you want. However, this does not change the fact that your interpretation is either right or wrong. But, just as an erroneous belief in a flat earth does not change the shape of our planet, someone's wrong interpretation of a Biblical passage does not change the fact that every single Biblical text has only one legitimate meaning and, therefore, only one legitimate interpretation.
The meaning of any Biblical passage was determined by the original author, would not have intended to convey more than one meaning (Unless, of course he couldn't make up his mind), therefore, "interpretation" has to be strictly limited to the meaning that the original author intended to convey, and it is our job as readers to discover what that meaning is.
As said by Douglas Groothuis
  • Having "your own interpretation" about the Bible does not, in itself, legitimate that interpretation as truth any more than "your interpretation" of your IRS return legitimatize itself before the penetrating eyes of an income-tax auditor. He goes by "the book," not your book. The it's-my-interpretation cop-out may land you a big fine or even time behind bars (which no amount of creative interpretation will dissolve). [01]
 

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One of the greatest dangers of misapplying Scripture is the risk of theological error. Let’s use Jeremiah 29:11 as an example. This well known verse often gets written in graduation cards:
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.​
What a nice verse! Of course we want to apply it to our lives, our plans, our post-graduate endeavors. The problem? This verse was not written to us. In context, it was written to Israel right before they were taken into Babylonian captivity. They would spend 70 years as strangers in a foreign land, a consequence of their repeated disobedience. If you read the verses before Jer. 29:11, you will see just how dire the situation was. And if you read Jeremiah 29:12-14, you find something even more challenging: Phylicia Masonheimer