Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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One of the greatest dangers of misapplying Scripture is the risk of theological error. Let’s use Jeremiah 29:11 as an example. This well known verse often gets written in graduation cards:
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.​
What a nice verse! Of course we want to apply it to our lives, our plans, our post-graduate endeavors. The problem? This verse was not written to us. In context, it was written to Israel right before they were taken into Babylonian captivity. They would spend 70 years as strangers in a foreign land, a consequence of their repeated disobedience. If you read the verses before Jer. 29:11, you will see just how dire the situation was. And if you read Jeremiah 29:12-14, you find something even more challenging: Phylicia Masonheimer
Pot < > Kettle
All 66 books inspired.
I start there.
You do not.
Your doctrine has only the pauline books as inspired.
I am way ahead,mainly because i do not have your hindering prism to unlearn.
I never started at les feldick/paul
I started with Jesus.
 

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Unless he's getting bogged down.;)
Pitting the inspired word against itself is a bad place to be. A bogged down arena of confusion.

I am glad James is inspired,the word of God,written by the Holy Spirit,FOR his people.
To his people.
 

Churinga

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The gospel of John says why its written, its written so that people may believe Jesus is the son of God and have life in His name.

Therefore its written to EVERYONE who reads it.

The gospel of Luke is written by Luke to a GENTILE MAN, Theophilus................ oops! (Book of Acts is also written to to this same gentile man, double oops!)

Luke 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Who are His other sheep not of this fold?
 

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Matthew 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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Matthew 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You really,really,really want there to be 2 completely different gospels,dont you?
 

garee

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Using only Johns Gospel which scriptures do you feel free to apply to yourself some of them or all of them?

You must of meant the gospel of Christ . Moving John was part of the whole gospel of Christ. (Genesis through Revelation)

Just like putting his words on the tongue of Balaam's ass in order to restrain the madness of that false prophet. This shows us God is not served by human hands or the will of donkeys' used to represent unconverted man that must be redeemed by a lamb .

Christ can bring His gospel (not John's gospel ) through one who has faith as easily as one who believed not.

That can be viewed in the Mathew 7 parable.

Just as not every Jew had the Spirit of Christ, the born again Holy Spirit of God. The same applies to Christians today seeing they (Jew and gentile) describe the one bride of Christ, the church .

Christ did not deny that the person in Mathew 7 performed a wonderful works. Its who he identified the work and accredited to that shows this person was violating the fist commandment (have no gods) before me which of course includes the man in Mathew 7 this was performed by putting himself before the one who actual performs the growth if there is any .

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquityMathew 7:22-23
 

garee

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One of the greatest dangers of misapplying Scripture is the risk of theological error. Let’s use Jeremiah 29:11 as an example. This well known verse often gets written in graduation cards:
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.​
What a nice verse! Of course we want to apply it to our lives, our plans, our post-graduate endeavors. The problem? This verse was not written to us. In context, it was written to Israel right before they were taken into Babylonian captivity. They would spend 70 years as strangers in a foreign land, a consequence of their repeated disobedience. If you read the verses before Jer. 29:11, you will see just how dire the situation was. And if you read Jeremiah 29:12-14, you find something even more challenging: Phylicia Masonheimer
The gospel has never been about the flesh of any nation this includes the faithless Jews according to the flesh. Even the Son of man Jesus informs us His flesh typified as sinful profits for nothing. God is not a man as us.

What we are living in these bodies of death is not what we will be when we do receive the goal of our faith a new incorruptible body.
Christ puts no difference between the flesh of a Jew from the flesh of a gentile. Working His faith in the hearts of both .

Acts 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

In the end of the matter it is simply... whosoever does not have the born again Spirit of Christ they do not belong to him.

The united Christian nation is a work of Christ's faith or labor of His love.
 

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Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles had a Gospel that differed from Jesus.

“Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1–4).
 

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When we as Gentiles impose ourselves into scripture the result can be seen now and in the History of the Church in modern times and until we can see the trees from the forest nothing will change.
 

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When we as Gentiles impose ourselves into scripture the result can be seen now and in the History of the Church in modern times and until we can see the trees from the forest nothing will change.
Are you suggesting that Gentiles are absent from Scripture? God mentions the Gentiles from the very beginning as "nations".
 

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The audience of the Gospels was centered on the lost sheep of the house of Israel and the preaching of the Kingdom was the message.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Jews had the advantage over the Gentiles for the word of God was given to them, the Old Testament.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Creation testifies of a God, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and is the universal law for everyone through the history of mankind, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people, which is how a saint is saved.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.

Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, for they had to hear it first, and then it spread from there out to the nations.

The Gospels are for everyone for Jesus said to the disciples go out in to all nations, and teach them before Paul was even a Christian and went to the Gentiles.



The Gospels were given to all people to the Jew first, and then the Gentile, but it was already written in the Old Testament that salvation through the Savior would go to the Gentiles, as well as the Jews.
 

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The Gospels were given to all people to the Jew first, and then the Gentile, but it was already written in the Old Testament that salvation through the Savior would go to the Gentiles, as well as the Jews.
Yes, but the timetable in the OT was that all the Jews must accept Jesus as their King first, before salvation can come to the Gentiles.

Zechariah 8 explains
3 “Thus says the Lord: ‘I will return to Zion, And dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, The Mountain of the Lord of hosts, The Holy Mountain.’

Later on, in the chapter in Zechariah 8:20-23 New Living Translation (NLT)
20 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: People from nations and cities around the world will travel to Jerusalem. 21 The people of one city will say to the people of another, ‘Come with us to Jerusalem to ask the Lord to bless us. Let’s worship the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. I’m determined to go.’ 22 Many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord of Heaven’s Armies and to ask for his blessing. 23 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: In those days ten men from different nations and languages of the world will clutch at the sleeve of one Jew. And they will say, ‘Please let us walk with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

A similar prophecy was given in Micah Chapter 4 (NLT)
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.
2 People from many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of Jacob’s God. There he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For the Lord’s teaching will go out from Zion; his word will go out from Jerusalem.

Finally, the same prophecy was given in the book of Isaiah chapter 2:2
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.

So, based on these 3 accounts, the timeline was supposed to be Jews are to be saved first, once they accept Jesus has the Messiah, then the Kingdom will be established in Jerusalem and the Jews will then be priests spreading that blessings to all the Gentiles.

Finally, when Jesus was on Earth, he also said this to the Samaritan woman John 4:22 New Living Translation (NLT)
22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews.

It was only in Acts that the Jews rejected their King, that God changed that timetable such that he will call forth a church comprising mainly of Gentiles, before returning for the Jews during the Tribulation.
 

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Did Paul preach a different Gospel that Jesus and the Disciples the answer is yes.
 

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I do understand the confusion around this issue. When we are commanded to go to all nations making deciples of them. Does he reject anyone who can't say they are descendants of Israel?
To say the apostles where writing to Jews only is a bit ignorant of who Israel is. Maybe not so excuse me while I make my point. Israel before the first century was spread out over the entire world. The Jews also known as the house of Judah was the only house along with Levi who stayed in the land. So going along with scripture "Israel" doesn't know who she is. Now the most important thing I, take care to understand I'm not saying only a decendant of Israel can be saved. Once a believer confesses to believe in Messiah for salvation do they then follow the way of the Father? That's the question. Because deciples of all nations without teaching all that the Father taught his son and his son taught them is not what was being aimed for. Christianity's fumble is that it is taught to keep fake feasts over the truth.
 

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The audience of the Gospels was centered on the lost sheep of the house of Israel and the preaching of the Kingdom was the message.
Jacob is representative of God's elect people. God changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. The gospels were written to God's sheep (his elect) which is the house of Jacob (Israel). All of the house of Israel are saved to everlasting life in heaven, however, some of his elect are lost, from Jesus's kingdom, which is his church, which he is the king, the high priest and the bride of. They are lost from his church because they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. The apostles are instructed to preach the gospel (knowledge) to those of his sheep, who are lost from the fellowship of his church (kingdom) to rely upon the righteousness of Christ and to not go about trying to establish their own righteousness, which is of the old law. (Rom 10).
 

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Jacob is representative of God's elect people. God changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. The gospels were written to God's sheep (his elect) which is the house of Jacob (Israel). All of the house of Israel are saved to everlasting life in heaven, however, some of his elect are lost, from Jesus's kingdom, which is his church, which he is the king, the high priest and the bride of. They are lost from his church because they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. The apostles are instructed to preach the gospel (knowledge) to those of his sheep, who are lost from the fellowship of his church (kingdom) to rely upon the righteousness of Christ and to not go about trying to establish their own righteousness, which is of the old law. (Rom 10).
What do you make of Pauls Gospel?
 

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Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles had a Gospel that differed from Jesus.

“Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1–4).
They both bore witness of Jesus the savior.
That "paul only" mess is silly
 

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Did Paul preach a different Gospel that Jesus and the Disciples the answer is yes.
Really? What did Jesus mean by "born again"
Who is the other savior Jesus preached?
You think Jesus was ignorant that he came AS THE LAMB OF GOD?
That Jesus thought mankind was left out of salvation till Paul came along and set Jesus and the perverted gospels straight?
That is the modern pauline gospel.

You guys can not make your case without disenfranchising half the nt.
 

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Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Jews had the advantage over the Gentiles for the word of God was given to them, the Old Testament.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Creation testifies of a God, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and is the universal law for everyone through the history of mankind, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people, which is how a saint is saved.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.

Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, for they had to hear it first, and then it spread from there out to the nations.

The Gospels are for everyone for Jesus said to the disciples go out in to all nations, and teach them before Paul was even a Christian and went to the Gentiles.



The Gospels were given to all people to the Jew first, and then the Gentile, but it was already written in the Old Testament that salvation through the Savior would go to the Gentiles, as well as the Jews.
Yes. Ruth was a picture of the gentile bride.
The pauline modern movement is a perversion of Gods purposes.