Are the trumpets and vials chronological in Revelation?

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TheDivineWatermark

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^ @Truthnightmare (love your username, by the way! :D ) ,

Do you believe the tribulation has been shortened in any way?"
I believe the passage is saying something more like, if those specific [trib] years had not been "CURTAILED" no flesh would survive (and ppl will survive, for to [saints only, mind you] ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... and so that by the end of the MK it is said, "the number of whom is as the sand of the sea"--i.e. LOTSA PPL!!)...

...but He is "CURTAILING" THEM (limiting the events to 7-yrs / 2520 days MAX) or else no one would survive them (if they lasted any longer than they are slated to), they're going to be THAT TERRIBLE!





[and one can trace out that exact amount of days in the "FUTURE" aspects of the Revelation, the parts that Rev1:1 states "[TO SHEW UNTO]... things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... which "SHEW" starts in 4:1's "SHEW" (see also 1:19c)]






See again my Post #207 (in that other thread :D https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5144416 ) for further explanation. :)
 
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^ @Truthnightmare (love your username, by the way! :D ) ,



I believe the passage is saying something more like, if those specific [trib] years had not been "CURTAILED" no flesh would survive (and ppl will survive, for to [saints only, mind you] ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies capable of reproducing / bearing children... and so that by the end of the MK it is said, "the number of whom is as the sand of the sea"--i.e. LOTSA PPL!!)...

...but He is "CURTAILING" THEM (limiting the events to 7-yrs / 2520 days MAX) or else no one would survive them (if they lasted any longer than they are slated to), they're going to be THAT TERRIBLE!





[and one can trace out that exact amount of days in the "FUTURE" aspects of the Revelation, the parts that Rev1:1 states "[TO SHEW UNTO]... things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... which "SHEW" starts in 4:1's "SHEW" (see also 1:19c)]






See again my Post #207 (in that other thread :D https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5144416 ) for further explanation. :)
Greetings, and thx.. I would ask at what point in the tribulation does the following take place.

Revelation 9
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

I believe the first part of the tribulation is 3 1/2 years, but I believe the second part has been shortened to 5 months.

Nice to meet ya
 

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YES...............

@Rondonmon - you do not realize this yet, but - you are the one here who is most-in-error.

And, the question is - can you be corrected or will you never learn...???
@Rondonmon :

It should be fairly obvious that I said this to make a point - to 'give you some of your own medicine' - to hopefully 'give you pause' - so that you might in some way be willing to reconsider your stance on this topic.

At the point where any of us truly believe we "cannot be in error" - it is at that point that we fall into error - even if only with regard to our attitude.

Because I believe it might be beneficial, I intend to spend some time today putting together a post that discusses those things you have said in posts #46 and #53 of this thread of which we actually seem to be in agreement.

Where 'our' [previous] conversation is concerned in this thread - please wait for it.

In the meanwhile, out of curiosity, I have a couple of questions for you...

Just how "young" do you think I am?

(Be honest - tell me what you really thought when you posted previously.)

Since I have been studying End Times Bible prophecy for over 40 years - how much older than me do you think you are?

(such that you see me as a 'young whippersnapper')

Simply put - if you are willing to answer - what is your age?

(I do not recall whether or not you have stated it before.)
 

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“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;

and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:12-

you can already tell this isn’t a literal book otherwise heaven is gone and earths mountains are all strewn about and th people are all begging for death and to escape the face of he who sits on the throne and his wrath …. And the rest of the book couldn’t occur but then at the end of the book you see that heaven and earth actually are going to be destroyed like that heaven is actually going to be gone but it didn’t happen chronologically in the book of revelation there’s something else going on here , it isnt a timeline of events but is going to reach a conclusion

Throughout the book after revelation 6s glimpse of judgement you see the earth and heaven coming apart heaven goes to war in itself then Satan and his minions are cast into earth and go to war against mankind who believes in Jesus. But again this happens on chapter 12 -19 this great struggle between good and evil culminating with the earth trying to stand against Christ Jesus and him annhilaiting the army gathered against him .

For a time evil seems to be winning like this section

“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13

thisnosnt literal time periods either we have to see the non linear nature of the entire book it is more describing the state of things upon earth during these evil times until Christ returns the whole book is like this it is totally different from any book on scripture but touches upon connections to each one of them nearly

aid you look at chapters 12-19 they conclude in parts of chapter eleven like the beast rising up in chapter 13 , that’s who kills the two witnesses in chapter 11

“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:4, 7-8‬ ‭

I hope someone understands what I’m saying the things happening in eleven some of them are before and some after the things happening much later on the book it’s a very layered and scattered and disorganized vision but it’s about the information in there

A lot of it is like the bi les design forst what man did wrong the. His plan to restore it was announced by prophets later he fulfilled the plan of salvstion on Christ bownhes told us what’s to come later when he returns . That’s how the layers of revelation are sort of the seals are gods decisions , the tru let’s are the announcing of those judgements , the vials are when they are all fulfilled all the words God spoke about the destruction of evil and wicked and the heaven and the earth

instead of seeing revelation as a timeline it’s a revelation seen from heaven of the distance of time until the lord returns and all face thier judgement the one they tried to hide from in revelation 6 is fulfilled on revelation 20

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

able they aren’t running and hiding they all have died and been destroyed on the great war that’s actually perpetual until Christ returns good and evil will always struggle upon earth but evil will look like it’s won before the lord returns .
 

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@Rondonmon - these are the things that we seem to agree on without significant differences in our views:

You see, the 6th Seal is just as Prophetic in nature as Joel 2:31, they FORECAST the same thing, one 2500 years ago, the other 2000 years ago.
I agree that the description in Joel 2:31 aligns with a similar description in the details of the 6th seal.

The Trumps last 3.5 years.
I tend to agree with this - I have long believed that this was the case; however, the possibility exists for it to be somewhat shorter - depending on how quickly the Two Witnesses begin bringing about the Trumpet events with their prophecy/testimony.
 

GaryA

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@Rondonmon - these are the things about me of which you are mistaken:

The problem with younger guys like you is you have tunnel vision, if you heard it or believed it already you lack the ability to override that dis-info when presented with the factoids.
In my honest estimation, there are [very precious] few if any members of this site that have a greater ability than I to 'override' what they already believe if/when presented "new information" that may disagree with what they have been taught.

In occasional posts, I may be found telling others that they must be able and willing to "suspend" what they believe when studying scripture if they are to obtain the real-and-true meaning of what they are studying - especially when studying prophecy. Why? Because, the things we [think we] know - including the things we are taught and assume - can sometimes get in the way of proper interpretation of scripture.

I have this ability and utilize it when needed while studying the Bible (especially when studying prophecy).

you already think there are 21 Judgments so you can't override that wrong assumption.
I never said anything about 21 Judgments - nor do I believe that there are 21 Judgments [as such].

I believe that there are three 'judgments' (in the context of this topic) - each being in its own unique form and having seven parts.

In using the word 'form', I mean that the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials are different types of 'judgment' - each for a different purpose.
 

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I'm not sure what the order is exactly but I believe the first seal opened (not the first seal or seal number 1) speaks of the AC and that isn't the first chronological thing to happen. The 6ths eal speaks of the second coming but that also does not happen 6th chronologically.
What if you are simply mistaken about the order of 'events' associated with the seals? Or, perhaps, when they occur?

A clue is in the first verse, where it says he opened "one of the seals" but doesn't say it was seal number 1. So, I believe they were not opened in chronological order.
Why do you believe that the [actual] seals have numbers?
 

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No, the Seals are all opened after the Church Age
Jesus "opened" the seals during/within the Revelation vision of John. They were all 'loosed' at that time. The 'events' associated with the "opening" of those seals followed thereafter - over the next ~2000 years - as of now, some are past, some are yet future.
 

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Makes no sense, a Mountain/Asteroid hits yet not NOT God's Wrath, all because you misread, IMHO, what FILLS UP is really saying.
I believe you are misinterpreting what 'for in them is filled up' is really saying.

Just because something "negative" happens does not automatically make it part of the 'Wrath of God'.

Just because something is called a 'plague' does not automatically make it part of the 'Wrath of God'.

As a reminder:
However - for 'edification' and 'insight' - I will make mention of the fact that I define 'events' in 'event' terms.
All 'events' have 'start' and 'end' points in time. I "order" the 'events' based on these 'start' and 'end' points:

~ What occurs before what?
~ What occurs after what?
~ What occurs at the same time as what?
 

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What if you are simply mistaken about the order of 'events' associated with the seals? Or, perhaps, when they occur?


The 6th seal speaks of the 2nd coming yet that coming comes at the 7th trump so that misalignment means the seals are not in order. It also proves the seal speaks of events that don't happen until the 7th trump as opposed to the view that the events of the seals are events in and of themselves, independent of the trumps.




Why do you believe that the [actual] seals have numbers?
I don't. Numbers are for reference only. People think the events of the "first" seal happen first, and the events of the 7th seal happen last but I believe that is incorrect based on the above point made.
 

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The 6th seal speaks of the 2nd coming yet that coming comes at the 7th trump so that misalignment means the seals are not in order.
Each seal is like a 'portal' through which can be seen something about the future.

The seals are "special" in this sense, compared to the Trumpets and Vials - which are more directly tied to specific 'events' in a sequential way - whereas, the seals have "overlap" with regard to the others.

I believe that the timing of the 'events' associated with the 6th seal "overlap" [all of] the Trumpet 'events' - it is, in fact, referring to those very same 'events'. In other words - yes - the 6th seal is describing Trumpet 'events'.

However, I believe that the seals are in chronological order in terms of the 'events' that are associated with them - except that there is 'overlap' within the seals also - but, the 'beginning' of each seal is in chronological timing order.

It also proves the seal speaks of events that don't happen until the 7th trump as opposed to the view that the events of the seals are events in and of themselves, independent of the trumps.
There are 'events' associated with the seals that are independent of the Trumpet 'events'. The first five seals are completely independent of the Trumpet 'events'. The 6th and 7th seal "blend" and "overlap" with the 6th and 7th trumpets. (I can see where this can be confusing.)

Remember, you are looking through a 'portal' at future 'events' - which also happen to be referred to in other parts of Revelation.

The 'events' are not "multiplied" - they are merely referred to in more than one place in Revelation.

I don't. Numbers are for reference only. People think the events of the "first" seal happen first, and the events of the 7th seal happen last but I believe that is incorrect based on the above point made.
In the most general sense - it is true - the seals "occur" in sequence - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.

The difference in perspective when considering 'event' timing is - whether you are looking at the beginning of the 'event' or the start-to-end completion of the 'event'.

Where there is overlap, 'completion' becomes moot and the sequence is broken. However, the sequence remains intact with 'beginning'.

And, the Seals are best looked at from the 'beginning' perspective.
 

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Each seal is like a 'portal' through which can be seen something about the future.
Yes.



There are 'events' associated with the seals that are independent of the Trumpet 'events'. The first five seals are completely independent of the Trumpet 'events'. The 6th and 7th seal "blend" and "overlap" with the 6th and 7th trumpets. (I can see where this can be confusing.)
Well, so far I believe each seal shows us events from one of each trump. The 6th seal is the clearest on this, showing events of the 7th trump second coming from the perspective of the unsaved.




In the most general sense - it is true - the seals "occur" in sequence - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.
A sequence but not a chronological sequence. I believe the first seal opened is the AC and what he does in the trib, which I believe happens after the 6th trump sounds. It would not be events happening before some of the other seal's events. Take all the killing in tehs econd seal which I would l;iken to the "wars and rumors of wars" Christ listed which would happen before the trib started. So in my view the first sesal speaks fo trib events related to the AC -6th trump events, the second seal events prior to the trib unsure which trump this would best belong to.
 
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The Seventh Trump
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded [7th Trump] ; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. KJV​
You notice that there is no Second Advent yet. The above is the end of the 11th chapter. Chapters 12-15 are parenthetical, and are not a continuation of the above chronology. Then chapter 16 picks up at the first Vial:
The First Vial
Rev 16 [complete chapter]
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial [1st Vial] upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. KJV​
And for all that, still no Second Advent yet. Then chapters 17-18 are parenthetical. And then in the 19th chapter we come to the Second Advent.
The literal Second Advent of the Messiah Jesus Christ:
Rev 19:11-21
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him [to Earth; i.e., the 2nd Advent] upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. KJV​
I know that many teach that the Seals, Trumps, and Vials are all the same events spoken of differently (i.e., 1st Seal, 1st Trump, 1st Vial, THEN, 2nd Seal, 2nd Trump, 2nd Vial, etc. through all seven). However, that this is in inaccurate interpretation is seen plainly in the fact that in the very First Vial men on Earth have already taken the mark of the beast, when this mark is not offered until later in the Tribulation, certainly not on day one. and the image referred to isn't set-up until Revelation chapter 13, well into the Tribulation timeline (the First event of the three sevens is Seal #1, and that happens at Revelation chapter 6). The chronological order is Seals, then Trumps, then Vials. Observe:
First Vial:
(Mark of the beast already administered, and now punished)
Rev 16:2
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial [1st Vial] upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.​
For comparison, compare the events in the First Seal and First Trump:
First Seal:
(The Tribulation begins)
Rev 6:1-3a
1 And I saw when the Lamb [Jesus] opened one of the seals [the 1st Seal] , and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
3 And when he had opened the second seal.... KJV​
First trump:
(Still no mark of the beast)
Rev 8:7
7 The first angel sounded [the 1st Trump], and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. KJV​
Therefore, these seven events in each of the three sets (Seals, Trumps, and Vials [of wrath]) cannot be one in the same seven events.
Helpful as well would be to observe the transition from the Seventh Seal to the First Trump. (Remember, The chronological order is Seals, then Trumps, then Vials.):
Rev 8:1-7
8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 The first angel sounded [the 1st Trump], and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. KJV​
 
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Christ comes in the Seventh Trump only because there is no eighth. But the Seven Vials happen during the Seventh Trump. Observe the transition from the Seventh Trump to the First Vial. And this will help to make the book of Revelation easier to understand. At least that’s my perspective on on the topic.
 

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Christ comes in the Seventh Trump only because there is no eighth.
Christ comes only AFTER all the trumpet judgments have occurred, and only after all the cataclysmic cosmic events have occurred. So the seventh trumpet is not announcing the return of Christ. There is another trumpet for that.
 
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Christ comes only AFTER all the trumpet judgments have occurred, and only after all the cataclysmic cosmic events have occurred. So the seventh trumpet is not announcing the return of Christ. There is another trumpet for that.
What makes you believe there is another trump after the 7th? I always believed 7 angels were given seven trumpets.

6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
 

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Christ comes only AFTER all the trumpet judgments have occurred, and only after all the cataclysmic cosmic events have occurred. So the seventh trumpet is not announcing the return of Christ. There is another trumpet for that.

Nope. The 7th is the last one and Christ comes at the last trump.
 

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Greetings, and thx.. I would ask at what point in the tribulation does the following take place.
Revelation 9
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
I believe the first part of the tribulation is 3 1/2 years, but I believe the second part has been shortened to 5 months.

Nice to meet ya
Nice to meet you, too. = )

I see, you believe the Irvingite-viewpoint (which, as I understand it, it basically "pre-wrath").

No, I do not agree that the second part has been shortened to the "5 months" spelled out in the "5th Trumpet" events (Rev9:1-12). This is just one aspect of what kicks off and encompasses the second half... not the entirety of what remains.


I believe this "5th Trumpet" (see v.1 and the phrase "I saw a star FALL from heaven") is pretty much marking the MID-trib point (of the 7-yrs / 2520 days) and is the FIRST of the "3 Woes" (associated with Trumpets 5 and 6 and 7); The "5th Trumpet" (MID-point) is basically the same point in time that Rev12's "he [satan] was CAST OUT into the earth, and his angels were CAST OUT WITH HIM," when there remains yet "1260 days" (per vv.6,14, parallel to Dan12:6-7 and 7:25[,27]); same general point in time that the AOD takes place (Matt24:15[,21]; Dan12:11 "SET UP [H5414]"); same general point that 2Th2:4b "sitteth in the temple of God" takes place (re: man of sin); etc.

After the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe" Rev9:1 / 8:13b [the 'woe unto the earth' of Rev12:12 and context (v.9, etc)], there still remains to take place, the "6th Trumpet / 2nd Woe" events, the "7th Trumpet / 3rd Woe" events, and the "7 Vials" (which themselves unfold over some time), taking the "1260 days" that Rev12:6,14 refers to (same as the "42 mos" that both Rev11 and Rev13 speak to), before Jesus RETURNS to the earth in Rev19.



Hope that helps you see my perspective. = )
 

Nehemiah6

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Nope. The 7th is the last one and Christ comes at the last trump.
How can Christ come at the 7th trumpet when that is announcing more divine judgments? Christ will not appear until all judgments have been completed.
 

Nehemiah6

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What makes you believe there is another trump after the 7th? I always believed 7 angels were given seven trumpets.
Yes. Those seven angels were given seven trumpets TO ANNOUNCE DIVINE JUDGMENTS. Not to herald the Second Coming . But there is another trumpet blown immediately after He returns: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Mt 24:31)

This is not the same as the "the last trump" or "the trump of God" which summons the Church saints to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture. The one in Matthew 24 summons the believing elect of the Jews to Israel. No angels are sent out at the Resurrection/Rapture since Christ comes for His Bride personally.