Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

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trofimus

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The first churches after Christ were called The Way. Constantine established churches more like our church today. The Way died out after only 500 years. It was a church closer to Christ. They did not question God about whether He wanted those who worship Him to praise Him with the feasts. Christ celebrated them, so did they.
Thats not true. Churches before year 500 AD did not keep any Jewish feasts. Not globally (maybe some Jewish churches did - like people "from James").

You can check the first church writings to confirm it.

Also, realize that Qumran people were a Jewish sect. Not Christians. Beware what you read from them.
 

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People in the HRM are simply people studying scripture and anyone who believes the OT is valid for us has that label put on them. That label includes people who misuse the Jewish rituals, or people who just join a church.

This "movement" came after the dead sea scrolls were analyzed. That opened up ways of reading old languages and understanding the culture scripture was written in. When that culture was understood it meant that they knew what the words meant to people of that span of time scripture was written in.

God gave His ways to the people He chose to put them down, but those people used their meanings to write what God said. In our language today we have mouse, net, gay, over the rainbow and such. In their day there were words that meant different than we understand them. As an example "Law of Moses". We think that is the ten commandments, but if we know the way people is Christ's time used those words, they don't mean the law as Moses gave it on the stone tablets.

So after those findings from the deep sea caves were analyzed, after 1947, scholars and ancient history professors began letting us know of what they found.

Now, the challenge is for the churches to sort out what is religion and what is understanding God.

I spent several months gathering information on each of the councils after the year 400 and reading what the councils decided about the church. They said the pope could tell them what God wanted of them and often they did not follow scripture but a worldly pope. Today's churches follow much of what was decided by these councils.

The first churches after Christ were called The Way. Constantine established churches more like our church today. The Way died out after only 500 years. It was a church closer to Christ. They did not question God about whether He wanted those who worship Him to praise Him with the feasts. Christ celebrated them, so did they.
What I often miss when going to their sites, The Hebrew Roots Movement, is Jesus Christ. I can go page after page, even on their front page, looking for their statement of faith, and still I find nothing on Jesus. I have to dig to find His name, yet what do I see outright? Torah, Festivals and Feasts, the Sabbath, and many other things pertaining to the Law of Moses. I don't see repentance to Christ, Jesus role as our High Priest, Jesus divinity and the Trinity, Holy Spirit as a person within the God-head (and the personal relationship that can be had), and instead all I see is emphasis on Torah.

Why is it so hard to see the Gospel message, and in respect to this life, our walk of faith that God sanctifies us by His Spirit (Fruit), and our identity being new creations in Christ, dead to sin and alive unto God? Why do they emphasize Torah to the exclusion of newness of life, serving in the newness of the spirit and not the oldness of the letter? Morality doesn't sanctify, God does, and this is why the apostle Paul could ask the Galatians, "Who has bewitched you?" They started in the spirit, now they try to be perfect by the law, of human effort. No, it is by grace that sin shall not have dominion over you. Praise God!
 

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I could care less what you do. The question was should people remember the feast I say yes it behoves a Christian to. It brings you to a closeness with G-d. It just does. If you do or don't that is between you and Him.... I do not know anyone going to Hell for not doing it.

I originally said we Jews do it but I think they everyone should and I gave reasons why. I would die before I ever said a Hail Mary but many Christians still do and that is blasphemous nor is Christmas or Easter even Biblical but, most, Christians do not care about that.

The point is if someone wants to celebrate them, even Non-Jews, they should and NO ONE SHOULD MAKE THEM WRONG FOR DOING SO!!! Are the feast not in Scripture and even Messiah celebrated them!?! I'll wish a Merry Christmas and Happy Easter and let G-d deal with people the pray to Mary!!!!
I asked you to Show me scripture. You did not. Should I trust People more then God?
 

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Do you think that when scripture speaks of Israel God meant for us not to listen? In Zech. 8:23 we are told that the time will come when we realize that God favors the Jews and we will go to them to learn how to live so we have God's favor. According to statistics about education, wealth, and honors God favors them and it is not because of their race but because of how devoted they are to God's ways.

Scripture tells us that God established the Hebrew race for our sakes, we are to learn of God through them. There is even scripture telling us that God blinded them to Christ for our sake.

God was deep into symbolism and entire Passover is about how we were rescued from sin by Christ. That is enough new covenant that even the people who believe God took away the relationship He established with the old covenant when God gave us Christ surely accepts that. When we celebrate Passover we are celebrating Christ. That is true of Jews, also except they say He is still to come.

But I am certain that when God gave us the OT it was to all the people He created. Skin color, belonging in any nation we have made, or who our parents are does not matter to God, He is the God of creation and the scripture God gave to us is for all--every part of it.
Where this is written? Prepare Please an NT Text, After Pentecost which proves what you claim.
 

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Actually, the feasts were given to Israel to celebrate different aspects of their history, and relationship with God, who gave them deliverance and providence. We see then that when Israel celebrated these feasts it was not with the Messiah in mind or in focus, but upon what God had done for them. So, while they indeed are a shadow of what would be fulfilled in Christ, they were not celebrated for that function (that they served as; as a shadow).

Its funny how Christmas and Easter are considered pagan holidays in origin and how we are not to celebrate them based upon origin, but hypocritically those in the HRM want to celebrate God's feasts contrary to their origin. Israel celebrated what God did for them previously, not what God was going to do through Christ (at least intellectually). So for us to super-impose our understanding of these feasts as shadows (which they were) and celebrate them with this understanding, we would be celebrating them contrary to the reason they were celebrated in the first place (as a remembrance of what God did for them previously, such as Passover).

How do we celebrate a feast that looks to the past (a specific event), and reconstruct it to celebrate a future event (that is now past for us), because it was a shadow of what was to come? In essence, we are rewriting the feasts in a way, though we understand it as a shadow, we also have to understand how and why Israel celebrated a particular feast (and in remembrance of what). How do we change their reasoning for a feast, and Christianize it (just like the pagan holidays, according to Hebrew Roots Movement), and then act as if Israel didn't celebrate, for example, Passover in remembrance of what happened in Egypt and covering the doorposts with blood, but instead celebrate the feast in knowing Christ to be the realization, the Passover Lamb?

Is this not ignoring origin and attempting to Christianize a feast, though it be a shadow? I don't dismiss the importance that such feasts foretold of the work of the Messiah, but they were celebrating and taking part of these feasts for very specific reasons. How do we remove these reasons, and replace them, without the hypocrisy of not considering origin?

While I am not equating God's feasts with pagan celebrations, I am trying to make a point that to consider origin means that we must understand why such a celebration took place. To not "Christianize" it, as is often the accusation. Does this not occur with the feasts? Celebrated originally for a specific reason but then changed, celebrated in remembrance of what Christ has done, thereby taking a shadow and still celebrating it, even though the fulfillment has come to pass? Doesn't Communion then take precedence, and instead of changing the original reason for the celebration of a feast, shouldn't we rather partake in Communion?

We acknowledge the shadow, and it pointing to Christ, but do we reinterpret the shadow so as to be able to observe it today, when that which it foretold of has "came in the flesh"? Why do we put ourselves back under the Law? To me this doesn't make sense.
You are dismissing symbolism that God used as shadows, and not acknowledged the reality of what made the shadow.

Christ is the reality, what the shadow was shadow of. They celebrated that it was to come, but now Christ is with us it doesn't make sense that we should stop celebrating Him.

We celebrate Easter and say it is a celebration of the fact that He rose and proved that there was life after death. It is entirely man made. According to writings that are said to be from what Constantine wrote, it was to replace how the Jews celebrated Christ, or rather the Messiah. Passover celebrates Christ and our deliverance from sin and it is God made.

In order to put ourselves under the law we would have to tell Christ that we obeyed law so well, we lived such a perfect life that under the law Christ must go to God to save us for eternal life. Then we would use the law for our salvation. We are under grace with a system of repentance and going to Christ for our salvation, not law for our salvation. You cannot put yourself under the law through obedience that God asks for. We are obeying because we know obedience gives us a good life and because we love the Lord, not for salvation.
 
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Ask Your Lord if He is a Jew....

What is wrong with you prejudices people.... Give me your address I will send you a white robe and hood for Christmas!!! Or do you want to be in the next slaughter for being a Jew too...

THIS IS RIDICULOUS I HAVE TO DEFEND BEING A RACIAL JEW TO YOU PEOPLE.... Read my other text!
God is not Jewish .He remains without mother or father as beginning of Spirit life or end thereof .He cannot die

Galatians 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Learn what the parable above is saying it can save much time .

Why would a person ask when the Spirit of Christ already informed us His Jewish flesh as that seen profits for nothing, nada? His spiritual word as to its understand hid in a that parable (John 6) offended the Jewish disciples, as a hard saying that Jesus the Jew spoke to them.

God is not a man or a creation as us. Attaching a voice to a form as a creation is how the first creation was corrupted to begin with. I would offer we must be careful "how we hear" what the Spirit is saying to the churches, the us that have not gone out from the elect are those who do have the born-again Spirit of Christ.

He lovingly commands us to study in order to seek His approval and warns us of those who do say we need a man to teach us to seek after as an outward approval. We walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Even the Son of man when called good teachers as the infallible master gave glory to God not seen and said; Only God (not seen is good) he therefore resisted being worshiped in respect to that seen.

Just as one is our Holy Father and we are to call no man father on earth the same applies to the idea of an infallible teacher on earth called a daysman.

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; "the flesh" profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that "time" many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.John 6:60-66

The thing is will you walk away not understanding the parable or believe as did Peter who was given the understanding by faith (the unseen understanding)?

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should -betray him, being one of the twelve...
..John 6:68-71
 

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You are dismissing symbolism that God used as shadows, and not acknowledged the reality of what made the shadow.

Christ is the reality, what the shadow was shadow of. They celebrated that it was to come, but now Christ is with us it doesn't make sense that we should stop celebrating Him.

We celebrate Easter and say it is a celebration of the fact that He rose and proved that there was life after death. It is entirely man made. According to writings that are said to be from what Constantine wrote, it was to replace how the Jews celebrated Christ, or rather the Messiah. Passover celebrates Christ and our deliverance from sin and it is God made.

In order to put ourselves under the law we would have to tell Christ that we obeyed law so well, we lived such a perfect life that under the law Christ must go to God to save us for eternal life. Then we would use the law for our salvation. We are under grace with a system of repentance and going to Christ for our salvation, not law for our salvation. You cannot put yourself under the law through obedience that God asks for. We are obeying because we know obedience gives us a good life and because we love the Lord, not for salvation.
"Loving the Lord" is not observance to the Torah though, it again tries to lay a burden upon the necks of believers. If you really consider it, circumcision is spoken of and the apostle Paul says of this Torah commandment that to do such would make one a debtor to the whole Law of Moses. This can likewise be spoken of in regards to any commandment in the Torah, because it is a covenant. Fail in one part and fail in all of it. Obey one part and you must obey all of it.

Galatians 5:2-3 King James Version (KJV)

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

You may think that observance to the Torah (and you're being selective as to what you are obedient to, might I add) is honoring God, but what you don't understand is that the Old Covenant is obsolete, has a fading glory, and that a New Covenant has been made, with better promises. If you think of Torah or Law as "instructions" then consider what the Law of Christ is, and how it is in the New Testament we are sanctified. Is it through the Spirit or the Law? It isn't both, it is either serving in the newness of the spirit or the oldness of the letter.
 

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Men have discovered the actual history of the times the Torah was written in. Our top scholars used this information to understand how present day beliefs evolved. We know more about the people of Egypt and the Amorites. Some scholars think our understanding will lead to peace. Christian scholars added this to their knowledge and what they taught about ancient Hebrew. The Christian church reacted much as the Pharisees reacted to Christ--they labeled it Hebrew Roots and went on the attack.

To help their attack of these historians, some people used this information in the wrong way so it gave them ammunition.

God gave the first five books of the bible, the Torah, to ALL of His creation. Then Noah's kids did not teach the Torah to their kids and people like Nimrod made up new ways to use the inborn desire of all men to know God. Every one of those nations had their own God with the actual God of all being shoved aside.

God took Abraham out of a pagan family and showed Him the real God. Time after time God told them to accept any if they wanted to join them, accept them with kindness and teach them His ways. That is true of us, we are as strangers to the people God set aside to know Him.

If you tell God that no, you absolutely will have nothing to do with anything God told them of Himself you are saying no to God and that is the same as sayin no to Christ.

God knew how the human mind worked, God knew they had to do something physical to keep reminding them to walk in His way. He gave circumcision, special diet, washing hands, etc to help them. He established a relationship (covenant) with them on MT Sinai. You are a stranger not a Hebrew, do you want to join with God? God says to welcome you and God will relate to you also.

Then God gave a new way God would relate (covenant) to us and Christ was born and was crucified. We ALL were given the Holy Spirit. If we listened to this spirit we wouldn't need physical things to remind us to live God's way, but we must listen to the Holy Spirit and act as we are directed.

In Galatians it speaks of these physical things God gave as reminders of God's ways and tells us we are to relate to God without them. We had better be sure that we don't throw out the Torah, also. What is thrown out are the physical ways the Holy Spirit takes over now. I don't see how your reason and listening to the Lord could lead you to say anyone is just choosing what to obey of God if he celebrates God's redemption plan for us. It is praise of the Lord, etc. It is reminding us of God's desire for us. It is reminding us to live for God for God created us.
 

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Actually, the feasts were given to Israel to celebrate different aspects of their history, and relationship with God, who gave them deliverance and providence. We see then that when Israel celebrated these feasts it was not with the Messiah in mind or in focus, but upon what God had done for them. So, while they indeed are a shadow of what would be fulfilled in Christ, they were not celebrated for that function (that they served as; as a shadow).

Its funny how Christmas and Easter are considered pagan holidays in origin and how we are not to celebrate them based upon origin, but hypocritically those in the HRM want to celebrate God's feasts contrary to their origin. Israel celebrated what God did for them previously, not what God was going to do through Christ (at least intellectually). So for us to super-impose our understanding of these feasts as shadows (which they were) and celebrate them with this understanding, we would be celebrating them contrary to the reason they were celebrated in the first place (as a remembrance of what God did for them previously, such as Passover).

How do we celebrate a feast that looks to the past (a specific event), and reconstruct it to celebrate a future event (that is now past for us), because it was a shadow of what was to come? In essence, we are rewriting the feasts in a way, though we understand it as a shadow, we also have to understand how and why Israel celebrated a particular feast (and in remembrance of what). How do we change their reasoning for a feast, and Christianize it (just like the pagan holidays, according to Hebrew Roots Movement), and then act as if Israel didn't celebrate, for example, Passover in remembrance of what happened in Egypt and covering the doorposts with blood, but instead celebrate the feast in knowing Christ to be the realization, the Passover Lamb?

Is this not ignoring origin and attempting to Christianize a feast, though it be a shadow? I don't dismiss the importance that such feasts foretold of the work of the Messiah, but they were celebrating and taking part of these feasts for very specific reasons. How do we remove these reasons, and replace them, without the hypocrisy of not considering origin?

While I am not equating God's feasts with pagan celebrations, I am trying to make a point that to consider origin means that we must understand why such a celebration took place. To not "Christianize" it, as is often the accusation. Does this not occur with the feasts? Celebrated originally for a specific reason but then changed, celebrated in remembrance of what Christ has done, thereby taking a shadow and still celebrating it, even though the fulfillment has come to pass? Doesn't Communion then take precedence, and instead of changing the original reason for the celebration of a feast, shouldn't we rather partake in Communion?

We acknowledge the shadow, and it pointing to Christ, but do we reinterpret the shadow so as to be able to observe it today, when that which it foretold of has "came in the flesh"? Why do we put ourselves back under the Law? To me this doesn't make sense.
This train of thought is key, because what modern law 'keepers' end up doing is keeping a law of their own creation instead of the Laws given by God at Sinai.

Not sure how this is pleasing to God . . .

-JGIG
 

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Men have discovered the actual history of the times the Torah was written in. Our top scholars used this information to understand how present day beliefs evolved. We know more about the people of Egypt and the Amorites. Some scholars think our understanding will lead to peace. Christian scholars added this to their knowledge and what they taught about ancient Hebrew. The Christian church reacted much as the Pharisees reacted to Christ--they labeled it Hebrew Roots and went on the attack.

To help their attack of these historians, some people used this information in the wrong way so it gave them ammunition.

God gave the first five books of the bible, the Torah, to ALL of His creation. Then Noah's kids did not teach the Torah to their kids and people like Nimrod made up new ways to use the inborn desire of all men to know God. Every one of those nations had their own God with the actual God of all being shoved aside.

God took Abraham out of a pagan family and showed Him the real God. Time after time God told them to accept any if they wanted to join them, accept them with kindness and teach them His ways. That is true of us, we are as strangers to the people God set aside to know Him.

Ummmm . . . Torah was not until Moses.

What's your source for the above information?


If you tell God that no, you absolutely will have nothing to do with anything God told them of Himself you are saying no to God and that is the same as sayin no to Christ.

Yet the simplicity of the Good News of Christ says NOTHING of Torah observance/compliance/pursuance in order to be in Christ.

Believe in Christ. Receive the gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life.

It IS that simple.



God knew how the human mind worked, God knew they had to do something physical to keep reminding them to walk in His way. He gave circumcision, special diet, washing hands, etc to help them. He established a relationship (covenant) with them on MT Sinai. You are a stranger not a Hebrew, do you want to join with God? God says to welcome you and God will relate to you also.

Then God gave a new way God would relate (covenant) to us and Christ was born and was crucified. We ALL were given the Holy Spirit. If we listened to this spirit we wouldn't need physical things to remind us to live God's way, but we must listen to the Holy Spirit and act as we are directed.

In Galatians it speaks of these physical things God gave as reminders of God's ways and tells us we are to relate to God without them. We had better be sure that we don't throw out the Torah, also. What is thrown out are the physical ways the Holy Spirit takes over now. I don't see how your reason and listening to the Lord could lead you to say anyone is just choosing what to obey of God if he celebrates God's redemption plan for us. It is praise of the Lord, etc. It is reminding us of God's desire for us. It is reminding us to live for God for God created us.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)




-JGIG
 

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Ummmm . . . Torah was not until Moses.

What's your source for the above information?

Yet the simplicity of the Good News of Christ says NOTHING of Torah observance/compliance/pursuance in order to be in Christ.

Believe in Christ. Receive the gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life.

It IS that simple.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal. 5)
-JGIG
Torah tells about God, and God was before creation God didn't just happen so Moses invented Him. At the time of Moses it was all written down, but these truths always were the truths of the world of God.

The simplicity of Christ was also part of God and God is the I Am. You cannot know Christ separate from the Father, they are one. There is no scripture that opposes another scripture, they work together.

If Paul was teaching that we now do not need to learn from God or listen to God or God's law, then Paul is teaching something that is opposed to what God tells us and we would have to toss out all Paul said as not scripture. Paul gave us scripture, it does NOT oppose God.

Paul was saying what I have repeated here, the rituals God gave to help the people obey the law, much as a schoolmaster guides children to school, are to be replaced by the Holy Spirit. That would not include the feasts because the feasts were given to us and we were told they were to be observed by all generations. If Paul said to ignore what God said Paul would not have been of God. God did not say you must be kosher for all generations. God didn't say that of circumcision. But we are to be led by the spirit what these rituals led to.

My information comes from many years of hours a day study. The deep sea scrolls were the source that started scholars to search ancient Hebrew history. It opened up many areas of study. For background information there are books on ancient Hebrews, but the authors of each history must be researched to be sure their source of information is accurate. They also have to be checked to be sure they don't have an agenda that would lead them to only give history that supports theirs.
 

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This train of thought is key, because what modern law 'keepers' end up doing is keeping a law of their own creation instead of the Laws given by God at Sinai.

Not sure how this is pleasing to God . . .

-JGIG
One of the questions I have (for those of the HRM, and those learning from them) is, when the temple in 70 AD was destroyed, how could obedience to the Law be fulfilled if a portion of it is no longer capable of being obedient to? If it is a covenant, and in that covenant we are to sacrifice animals for sin, and now we are no longer able to do so, doesn't that make the covenant obsolete? Since if you fail in one part you fail in all of it, not upholding one part makes all of it crumble, no?

Its been said that while the Law of Moses is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you so. I think its so important to understand that morality doesn't sanctify us, God does.
 
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One of the questions I have (for those of the HRM, and those learning from them) is, when the temple in 70 AD was destroyed, how could obedience to the Law be fulfilled if a portion of it is no longer capable of being obedient to? If it is a covenant, and in that covenant we are to sacrifice animals for sin, and now we are no longer able to do so, doesn't that make the covenant obsolete? Since if you fail in one part you fail in all of it, not upholding one part makes all of it crumble, no?

Its been said that while the Law of Moses is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you so. I think its so important to understand that morality doesn't sanctify us, God does.
Following your line of thought, it was the law that all males had to observe the festivals in Jerusalem.
 

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One of the questions I have (for those of the HRM, and those learning from them) is, when the temple in 70 AD was destroyed, how could obedience to the Law be fulfilled if a portion of it is no longer capable of being obedient to? If it is a covenant, and in that covenant we are to sacrifice animals for sin, and now we are no longer able to do so, doesn't that make the covenant obsolete? Since if you fail in one part you fail in all of it, not upholding one part makes all of it crumble, no?

Its been said that while the Law of Moses is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you so. I think its so important to understand that morality doesn't sanctify us, God does.
I am told that I am of the HR, and I get my learning from scripture and scholars who study and they relate everything to scripture. I check everything they say with scripture. I use scholars specializing in bible because they direct my scripture reading and point to the many places bible explains a point. But I will answer your question best I can.

But the questions are silly. Scripture tells us not to sacrifice animals!!!!!! When Christ sacrificed for us as animals were a temporary symbol of, why would God ask for the symbol instead of using the blood of Jesus that He gave for us.

You are showing that you have not learned ab out the time Paul wrote in. You are calling the ten commandments the Law of Moses. Everyone knew that was the law the world was created with. They called the rituals the law of Moses.

Please check you bible to see if you can find any place that says the law saved. Use your concordance to see what is said about grace. Don't take any word from any source as true, look in scripture. Read the 119th psalm to get a complete picture of law.

I believe in honoring the feasts because God tells me to, I belong to God and it is up to me to do as He tells me. God does not save or not save based on our obedience to Him.

A covenant defines a relationship. A Hebrew of old times went to the home of a woman he wanted to marry to ask for her hand. If she said yes, the parents and the couple sat down to decide what the bride and groom would do for each other in the marriage. This was a covenant.
 

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I am told that I am of the HR, and I get my learning from scripture and scholars who study and they relate everything to scripture. I check everything they say with scripture. I use scholars specializing in bible because they direct my scripture reading and point to the many places bible explains a point. But I will answer your question best I can.

But the questions are silly. Scripture tells us not to sacrifice animals!!!!!! When Christ sacrificed for us as animals were a temporary symbol of, why would God ask for the symbol instead of using the blood of Jesus that He gave for us.

You are showing that you have not learned ab out the time Paul wrote in. You are calling the ten commandments the Law of Moses. Everyone knew that was the law the world was created with. They called the rituals the law of Moses.

Please check you bible to see if you can find any place that says the law saved. Use your concordance to see what is said about grace. Don't take any word from any source as true, look in scripture. Read the 119th psalm to get a complete picture of law.

I believe in honoring the feasts because God tells me to, I belong to God and it is up to me to do as He tells me. God does not save or not save based on our obedience to Him.

A covenant defines a relationship. A Hebrew of old times went to the home of a woman he wanted to marry to ask for her hand. If she said yes, the parents and the couple sat down to decide what the bride and groom would do for each other in the marriage. This was a covenant.
Kind of a weird coincidence, but as I opened up my laptop the time was 1:19 AM, and as soon as I went to this thread you brought up Psalm 119. I read all of it, and it is powerful what the writer conveys, in how much they value God's precepts, commands, and ways. They value His word.
 

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Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

Yes, every meal you eat.
What a cop out!!! It is a way of saying that no, won't celebrate the feasts the way God tells us to, I have my own way and I like my way better.
 

Blik

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Following your line of thought, it was the law that all males had to observe the festivals in Jerusalem.
Did the Lord tell us that for all generations you must travel to Jerusalem to my festivals? I don't think God did.
 

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Yes, to 'you' it is simply unbelievable.

They are a commemoration of what God has done for his people, both before and after the cross. It's quite possible to observe them without the narrow uneducated view that they are only for trying to justify oneself before God. They are valuable illustrations of spiritual realities.
"They are valuable illustrations of spiritual realities." So are the sacrifices.

For example you can observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread by sweeping your house clean of all traces of leaven, all the while knowing it's an illustration of how the household of God (the people of God--individually and corporately) has been swept clean of the leaven of sin now that the Passover Lamb has been sacrificed (that Feast follows the Passover).
That same argument could be used to justify sacrificing and eating a lamb at Passover, "all the while knowing it's an illustration of ..."

Can't grasp that mindset? Why not? You adopt that mindset every time you take communion knowing you're doing it as a commemoration of what Christ has done for you, not as some sort of work that wins anything for you from God. Apparently, Jesus himself finds value in acting out things that illustrate the reality of what God has done for us since he is the one who told us to continue the Passover (communion) tradition in an illustrative manner of what he has done on the cross for us.

When someone observes all the Mosaic Feast and Sabbath traditions for the same reason the rest of us observe Communion commanded by Jesus they are no more mocking Christ in their observances they we are in ours. Think about it.

I understand your point but I think there is more to it than what you are suggesting. Observance of the Mosaic feasts wasn’t just a commemoration of what God had done, it was commanded in the Mosaic Law as an act of covenant obedience. Saying that you don’t really mean your observance as an act of obedience but only as a symbolic gesture does not negate the fact that the very act of observing a commandment is an act of obedience, no matter your motives.

But what you said about communion (the Eucharist, the Lord’s Supper, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, the Wedding Feast, all different terms used in the New Testament) shows that you don’t fully grasp what the one and only New Covenant “feast” really is. Just as the sacrifice of Jesus fulfills every jot and tittle of the Mosaic sacrifices, that one “supper” also fulfills every jot and tittle of the Mosaic feasts. When New Testament believers partake of the bread and wine (body and blood), we are remembering not God delivering the Jews from Egypt, but God delivering the church from sin in fulfillment of what God delivering the Jews from Egypt foreshadowed.

So the problem in observing the Mosaic Feasts, just like with observing the Mosaic sacrifices, is that you are observing the shadows and promises of what Messiah would one day do as if he has not yet come and accomplished everything those old shadows promised.

That is the reason God removed everything He had provided for the Old Covenant's observance rendering it not only ineffectual but literally impossible to practice those things which in the former days made reconciliation and fellowship with God possible. Because in these last days he has made a new and living Way.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 

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What a cop out!!! It is a way of saying that no, won't celebrate the feasts the way God tells us to, I have my own way and I like my way better.
If a Christian is trying to celebrate Jewish feasts then what exactly are they doing? Trying to be Jewish or trying to be Christian???

You have to choose one. You can't do both. Be hot or cold but do not be luke-warm.

BenFTW has already explained this to you but I guess you don't get it.

Would you say that the Ministry of Death and Condemnation is the Law of God or the Law of Moses?

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

So then I ask again, Is the Ministry of Death and Condemnation (The 10 Commandments) the Law of God or the Law of Moses?

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Do you see a contradiction here in calling the Ministry of Death and Condemnation the Law of God but then turning around and saying there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus?????????


I suppose if you could see you wouldn't have followed the Hebrew roots lies to begin with. But then what would you boast in?? I suppose you would have to turn from your own ways and start talking about Christ and what He has done for us instead of your "understanding" of Torah.