Are there prophets today, or just profits?

[FlyingDove]

Scripture makes it perfectly clear that those twelve foundational apostles were the only apostles so-named by God and Christ (Judas replaced by Paul).

Here we go again, with the false claim that Paul replaced Judas.

It's striking that this self a proclaimed Bible teacher (Nehemiah6) can’t read plain language

Help for the scripturally inept:

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
(NOTE: Matthias replaces Judas ""NOT"" Paul)

(NOTE: Start Here for requirements to replace Judas. See references made in vs 20: Pslams 69:25-28 & Pslams 109:1-8. Posted below)

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

(NOTE: Vines Dictionary: Bishoprick, (Strong's #1984 Noun Feminine episkope ep-is-kop-ay). Is rendered "office," in Acts 1:20, RV (AV, "bishoprick"); in 1 Timothy 3:1 , "the office of a bishop," lit., "(if any one seeketh) overseership," there is no word representing office

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

(NOTE: Paul dosen't meet the requirement! Paul doesn't meet the Lord until years after the resurrection. Yet, Nehemiah6, continues to repeatedly twist the Scriptures)

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

(NOTE: The requirements to fill Judas spot? Be a believer during John’s ministry. Be 1 of the 120 in the upper room. That had continued all the way to the ascension & was still a true follower. AGAIN! Paul doesen't become a believer until the road to Damascus in Acts 9)

References mentioned in Acts 1:20 above

Pslams 69:25 Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.

26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous

Pslams 109:1 (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;

2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.

3 They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.

4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.

5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

 

[Magenta]

Here we go again, with the false claim that Paul replaced Judas.

It's striking that this self a proclaimed Bible teacher (Nehemiah6) can’t read plain language

Help for the scripturally inept:

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
(NOTE: Matthias replaces Judas ""NOT"" Paul)

None of the apostles chose each other. Jesus chose them all, as He did Paul. They were told to wait, NOT instructed to choose anyone to replace Judas.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Here we go again, with the false claim that Paul replaced Judas.

FlyingDove cannot abide the fact that I am presenting Bible truth as opposed to this poster's lies (about me and about what I post). So once again we have biblical evidence that Paul replaced Judas:

ACTS 26

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

 

[FlyingDove]

None of the apostles chose each other. Jesus chose them all, as He did Paul. They were told to wait, NOT instructed to choose anyone to replace Judas.

Another because I said so poster. READ Acts 1:26! And argue your moot point with the writer of the passage.

 

[stonesoffire]

Another because I said so poster. READ Acts 1:26! And argue your moot point with the writer of the passage.

You have a point with Matthias flying dove as far as fulfilling the scriptures. I never realized this before and thought too that Paul replaced Judas.

But, I can see that the end of the age of law was with Mathias taking the place of Judas by the works of men, which is law. And the body of Christ, a whole new revelation, came then with Paul.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You have a point with Matthias flying dove as far as fulfilling the scriptures. I never realized this before and thought too that Paul replaced Judas.

But, I can see that the end of the age of law was with Mathias taking the place of Judas by the works of men, which is law. And the body of Christ, a whole new revelation, came then with Paul.

Except that there cannot be a "point" since there are only twelve apostles of the Lamb, not thirteen (a number which has negative connotations in Scripture as well as in general).

 

[BenFTW]

Acts 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

What an excellent verse in this discussion. Thank you.

 

[Magenta]

Another because I said so poster. READ Acts 1:26! And argue your moot point with the writer of the passage.

It is NOT a moot point to say Jesus chose His apostles.

Your saying so just shows how dishonest you are.

 

[Magenta]

Nor is it a moot point to note that they were instructed to WAIT, and NOT
instructed to select anyone to replace Judas. More of your dishonesty.

 

[FlyingDove]

Nor is it a moot point to note that they were instructed to WAIT, and NOT
instructed to select anyone to replace Judas. More of your dishonesty.

MOOT! I posted the scripture the say Paul didn't meet the requirements given them. And you say they were told to wait. Where are they told to wait to replace Judas .

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Didn't they cast lots to make a decision?

 

[FlyingDove]

Nor is it a moot point to note that they were instructed to WAIT, and NOT
instructed to select anyone to replace Judas. More of your dishonesty.

I just noticed the Canadian Flag. That's not the 1st time you're jumped in to defend. The constant false, heretical teaching of CC's top vitriolic narcissist. I smell a sock!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I just noticed the Canadian Flag. That's not the 1st time you're jumped in to defend. The constant false, heretical teaching of CC's top vitriolic narcissist. I smell a sock!

have you tried the laundry ? for your smelly sock that is...

something wrong with Canada?

your posts are outrageous ...the way you want them I guess

I'll leave you to it

 

[FlyingDove]

have you tried the laundry ? for your smelly sock that is...

something wrong with Canada?

your posts are outrageous ...the way you want them I guess

I'll leave you to it

I said sock no reference to smelly. May I suggest Hooked-On-Phonics for the trio? A

 

[Deade]

Acts 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

That reference you gave in Acts 2:17 needs to be in context. Acts 2:17-21: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

You'll notice the prophecy speaks of another event when the sun and moon becomes darkened. So Peter's statement should say: "This is the start of that was spoken of the prophet Joel."

The lead in to the chapter: Joel 2:1-3: “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.”

Here is the actual event. Again with the sun and moon signs:
Joel 2:28-32: “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.”

All this clearly points to the time after the Lord comes back. Here He is saying everyone that calls on His name will be saved. That hasn't happened yet.

 

[FlyingDove]

FlyingDove cannot abide the fact that I am presenting Bible truth as opposed to this poster's lies (about me and about what I post). So once again we have biblical evidence that Paul replaced Judas:

ACTS 26

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Nehemiah6, No one said Jesus didn't choose Paul. What was pointed out is Paul didn't replace Judas. You should stop posting lies about scripture & what others say.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
(NOTE: Matthias replaces Judas ""NOT"" Paul)

(NOTE: Start Here for requirements to replace Judas. See references made in vs 20: Pslams 69:25-28 & Pslams 109:1-8. Posted below)

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

(NOTE: Vines Dictionary: Bishoprick, (Strong's #1984 Noun Feminine episkope ep-is-kop-ay). Is rendered "office," in Acts 1:20, RV (AV, "bishoprick"); in 1 Timothy 3:1 , "the office of a bishop," lit., "(if any one seeketh) overseership," there is no word representing office

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

(NOTE: Paul dosen't meet the requirement! Paul doesn't meet the Lord until years after the resurrection. Yet, Nehemiah6, continues to repeatedly twist the Scriptures)

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

(NOTE: The requirements to fill Judas spot? Be a believer during John’s ministry. Be 1 of the 120 in the upper room. That had continued all the way to the ascension & was still a true follower. AGAIN! Paul doesen't become a believer until the road to Damascus in Acts 9)

Scripture be damned, because Nehemiah6 said so. Just can't own up & admit YOU'RE WRONG!

 

[Katy-follower]

One of the outstanding marks of these people is that they are covetous, make merchandise of the Gospel, and accumulate great personal wealth on the backs of poor gullible Christians.

A distinction needs to be made though, because there are plenty of ministries out there that are genuine and depend on donations to keep them going. Some of them get limited air time because of a lack of funds, and many of them sell materials, like devotionals, etc, but all the money goes into their ministry, to help them continue spreading the gospel.

I like that some of them even make disclaimers now at the end of their shows, so they're not classed as being part of the prosperity crowd that promise blessings for money.

 

[FlyingDove]

But, I can see that the end of the age of law was with Mathias taking the place of Judas by the works of men, which is law. And the body of Christ, a whole new revelation, came then with Paul. Except that there cannot be a "point" since there are only twelve apostles of the Lamb, not thirteen (a number which has negative connotations in Scripture as well as in general).

Nehemiah6, please provide the scripture that supports your opinion that Acts 1:23-26 are wrong.

Acts 1:

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

(NOTE: ""They appointed!"" All eleven Apostles are there, see vs 6)

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

(NOTE: All eleven Apostles prayed completely trusting God)

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

(NOTE: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias (NOT PAUL) were prayed over to fill Judas place)

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

(NOTE: Matthias replaced Judas ""NOT"" Paul!)

Nehemiah6, teaches that: The God breathed Holy Spirit inspired scripture's are wrong! All eleven Apostle's are wrong! The KJV is wrong! Nehemiah6 continues to claim he's right, because he say's so.

(NOTE: Acts 1:26 clerly teaches: Matthias replaced Judas ""NOT"" Paul!)

 

[Katy-follower]

I honestly don't know whether to believe there are true prophets around today. Obviously there are lots of false ones as on judgment day we read that many of them will be saying "Lord, Lord... did we not prophesy in your name" which suggests these will be false prophets from the protestant world.

I just wanted to add that David Wilkerson came to mind. He was the one they based the movie "cross and the switchblade" on. He wrote a book (which I've not read) but I read he had a vision of NYC going up in flames in the last days.

So how can we fear a statement like that? If it is real it will happen and we'll find out eventually. If it's not real then it won't happen and we'll know he just ate too much cheese before he went to bed but either way it doesn't affect us because in this example it doesn't alter the gospel in any way.

I like the example given back in Deuteronomy 18:22: "when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him"

 

[Zmouth]

A good example is the Catholics who must walk by sight as to when they add their very own prophecy called "private revelations" to give them the illusion God is not silent as far as bringing new .revelation It becomes a platform for all cults launching their imaginary win win oral traditions of men .

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of "none effect" by your tradition.

So if the believer was not under the law of God by the birth of Christ, then how can his death set man free since one can read in the old covenant it is written that there is a time to be born and and time to die? In fact, the LORD has numbered the days of man, yet it is written in Ps 90:12, "So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom."

The source of all the oral tradition of men that make God's tradition the Bible without effect . Whether its the Pope, Jim Jones ,Mohamed , Josef Smith of the Mormons , or any that would dare add to give the illusion God has violated his own law..

So how can the oral tradition, which comes by hearing meaning hearing by the word of God, make the Bible without effect except to the believer who doesn't believe all things? If one can summarily believe something is not true without evidence to the contrary, then they too can summarily have believe in something by faith even it has no substance of truth,.

Even those who reject the Church and religion are aware of this, as found in a quote by Christopher Hitchens:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him will believeth in anything. - Hitchens 3:16”.

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.1 Cor 14:1

Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation
His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because "you believed it to be true."(Pope Urban VIII, 1623-44)

While the Gospel could be interpreted as requiring one believe all things; however believers don't understand so therefore they dismiss it as false. In order words they do not believe that they should believe all things, which is saying that they will believe anything is possible,

Seeing that it is written, "Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things." in 1 Cor 13:7,

"Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." Mark 9:23