Are there still apostles today?

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shrume

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Well you made the question "in your favor" that's another form of staw manning putting it in such a way that if answered you could pull the conversation your way disregarding my point and insisting on your point politicians do this plenty.
No I didn't.

I believe there are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers in the church today.

Catch you later, Joe. Maybe in another thread.. :)
 
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joefizz

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Well you made the question "in your favor" that's another form of staw manning putting it in such a way that if answered you could pull the conversation your way disregarding my point and insisting on your point politicians do this plenty.
To further clarify what I mean say I asked you a question in such a manner like...
"who was perfect"? after discussing about a person being completely perfect I could completely over shadow other posters simply by using "words" in the bible to fit what I believe like "perfect" pertaining to many scriptures could easily switch the discussion around in my favor if people weren't "well read" it's not good to ask such questions because it makes one sound "desperate".
 
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joefizz

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#43
No I didn't.

I believe there are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers in the church today.

Catch you later, Joe. Maybe in another thread.. :)
See you later I'll be around.
 

shrume

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To further clarify what I mean say I asked you a question in such a manner like...
"who was perfect"? after discussing about a person being completely perfect I could completely over shadow other posters simply by using "words" in the bible to fit what I believe like "perfect" pertaining to many scriptures could easily switch the discussion around in my favor if people weren't "well read" it's not good to ask such questions because it makes one sound "desperate".
If you're suggesting I'm "desperate", I'm not, at all.

God bless.
 

CS1

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Some Christians says that there are no more apostles today. Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers. Some Christians believe that the others are still around, but not the apostles.
the word "apostles " in the context of the gifts inept 4:11 are known as the Domata. The word "apostles is "a" not" A' . This is important because the context here is not the same as those who saw with their eyes the reason Lord. this is small "a' which is in the Greek means Messenger or the sent ones . Yes there are those who are "a" apostles today in the context of eph 4:11
 

calibob

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#47
Yes of course there are, but they're humble, most likely poor. In rescue missions or volenteers at disasters, tending to aids patients. Not trying to get wealthy on the suffering of others. Going to prisons to spread the word like Jesus told us to.
 
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joefizz

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the word "apostles " in the context of the gifts inept 4:11 are known as the Domata. The word "apostles is "a" not" A' . This is important because the context here is not the same as those who saw with their eyes the reason Lord. this is small "a' which is in the Greek means Messenger or the sent ones . Yes there are those who are "a" apostles today in the context of eph 4:11
Interesting I gotta look into that, never thought about it!
 

CS1

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Interesting I gotta look into that, never thought about it!
this get hid away with the over emphasis on "titles" . it is better to do the work of an evangelist , prophet , pastor , teacher , and apostle then to be labeled one. One can do the work of any of these offices the Lord is calling them too and never be called it. In context to Ph 4:11 each one of these gifts can be sent .
 
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pjharrison

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#50
Yes they are.


Not relevant.


Yes, there are twelve apostles of the Lamb, but there are apostles in the church today.

(and what about Matthias? [Acts 1:23ff])


Yes, that is referring to the twelve apostles of the Lamb. There are others.
Matthias replaced judahs.
Responding to Gal 1:19 with Gal 1:18....
Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Paul definitely met more than one apostle so the context of your using that scripture is wrong.(And verifying that Paul had two witnesses who accepted him as an apostle just pointing out how your first scripture you seem to be indicating that Paul only met James which isn't accurate)
That was to prove that there are still apostles today.
 
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pjharrison

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SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF.

12 FOUNDATIONS FOR 12 APOSTLES.

12 THRONES FOR 12 APOSTLES.

12 TRIBES FOR 12 APOSTLES.

You are simply failing to read those Scripture properly.
What are you saying. That there are still apostles today or are you saying that there are no more apostles.
 

CS1

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Matthias replaced judahs.

That was to prove that there are still apostles today.
Remember Paul told Peter that he saw Jesus resurrected just as they did. Paul was chosen by Jesus and HE spoke to Ananias in Acts 9.
Paul was the same kind of "A" Apostle as Peter and the others.

Paul was called by Jesus : acts 9:15

"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
 
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joefizz

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Interesting I gotta look into that, never thought about it!
Well unfortunately I don't see "Apostles" capitalized in my king james bible except in the title of acts but I did notice something else interesting...
In each introduction pertaining to an Apostle of christ they are introduced as "singular" typically as an Apostle of Christ unlike the messenger apostles who are introduced in crowds aside from at the first in acts, I think part of this shows a "distinction" because disciple Apostles were headed to places "alone" as if showing respectfully "their strength" and "faith in Jesus" where as the message apostles were often with the disciple Apostles or gathered together
 
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pjharrison

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the word "apostles " in the context of the gifts inept 4:11 are known as the Domata. The word "apostles is "a" not" A' . This is important because the context here is not the same as those who saw with their eyes the reason Lord. this is small "a' which is in the Greek means Messenger or the sent ones . Yes there are those who are "a" apostles today in the context of eph 4:11
Small "a" or Capital A, There are still apostles. Not those who are station in a church building setting. But those who carry the word of Christ. Who are taking it all over the world. So that no one can say they didn't know.
 

CS1

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Small "a" or Capital A, There are still apostles. Not those who are station in a church building setting. But those who carry the word of Christ. Who are taking it all over the world. So that no one can say they didn't know.
the context of "A" and "a" does change the context in the word of God . and I said there are apostles today just not the same kind as Peter and Paul. those ones given in Eph 4:11contextually are " the Sent ones or Messenger . Thee Apostles were eyewitnesses to the resurrected Lord. No apostle today has even see Peter :)
 
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pjharrison

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Remember Paul told Peter that he saw Jesus resurrected just as they did. Paul was chosen by Jesus and HE spoke to Ananias in Acts 9.
Paul was the same kind of "A" Apostle as Peter and the others.

Paul was called by Jesus : acts 9:15

"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Right and all the other apostles who came into the body of Christ after Paul are also the same as Paul,
Romans: 10: 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

CS1

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Right and all the other apostles who came into the body of Christ after Paul are also the same as Paul,
Romans: 10: 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I think not Paul was the same as Peter . Paul consider himself less then them but HE saw Jesus resurrected. No other apostles today have that recorded in scriptures . Therefore all after Paul are not the same as Paul
 
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I am familiar with your argument that salvation is transitory. That's not my point in my post you quoted. Luke's account of the Apostleship of the 12 and when it occurred is correct. Your saying this, "They were called Apostles, being sent out with power and authority long before His ascension." Contradicts that fact in the Book of Luke scripture.
You will have to do better than claim the Bible contradicts itself.


There’s no contradiction in scripture, just people misunderstanding what was written.


And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power overunclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
Matthew 10:1-4


This was long before His ascension.


Now it’s up to you to post your scriptures from Luke so we can examine your claim of contradiction.


JPT
 

OstrichSmiling

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You will have to do better than claim the Bible contradicts itself.


There’s no contradiction in scripture, just people misunderstanding what was written.


And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power overunclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
Matthew 10:1-4


This was long before His ascension.


Now it’s up to you to post your scriptures from Luke so we can examine your claim of contradiction.


JPT
I never claimed the Bible contradicted itself. You are correct that people misunderstand what is written. But that is not something I need defend of my self.
The one that claims Jesus did not make Apostles as he said and when he said has the onus upon him to prove his words supplant Jesus' own.
 
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pjharrison

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I think not Paul was the same as Peter . Paul consider himself less then them but HE saw Jesus resurrected. No other apostles today have that recorded in scriptures . Therefore all after Paul are not the same as Paul
Rom: 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. They didn't have see Christ. Salvation comes by faith.