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well...if I stub my toe does that mean I am no longer a new creation in Christ?
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there is pain, suffering and death all around us...that is not what I am talking about...we live in a fallen world
God call us to live IN Christ...not on the level of physical only
I hope you don't think I mean WOF or something here...cause not at all
Christ serves as an expiation for our 'PAST SINS' -
like it is written, 'For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death
of His Son',...we NOW have CLEAN SLATE. every curse comes from some sort of sin,
but now that those sins are wiped away, so are the curses, but it does not mean that
some of the consequences of sin will not carry over....if we kill some one, we will go to prison...
But, now that we are reconciled, we have our Intercessor that we should walk with daily, for the
verse that follows the above states, 'much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His Life...
and as another scriptures states, 'If we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, He is Faithful and Just
to forgive us our sins'...
like it is written, 'For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death
of His Son',...we NOW have CLEAN SLATE. every curse comes from some sort of sin,
but now that those sins are wiped away, so are the curses, but it does not mean that
some of the consequences of sin will not carry over....if we kill some one, we will go to prison...
But, now that we are reconciled, we have our Intercessor that we should walk with daily, for the
verse that follows the above states, 'much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His Life...
and as another scriptures states, 'If we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, He is Faithful and Just
to forgive us our sins'...
Two kinds of wisdom's that come from knowledge . I think that is what He meant when believers (his people) do not listen to the word and do not obey it. But rather follow after the wisdom of this world when we do deny Him in unbelief (no faith).
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:1Co 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:1Co 2:5
Lauren, I know that certain people don't understand that God cannot change and it is impossible for Him to contradict Himself but the Word of God is not sad. We should all be sad about the deception between the saints today and that people are propagating a free for all religion.
Every women with children on this earth were under what you call "the curse" whoopteedoo deal with it, just like every man are also under the curse (I would rather call it responsibilities) that was bestowed upon them by God Himself. God never cursed Adam and Eve.
The only one cursed in Genesis 3 was the serpent but you can give it your free for all spin.
Every women with children on this earth were under what you call "the curse" whoopteedoo deal with it, just like every man are also under the curse (I would rather call it responsibilities) that was bestowed upon them by God Himself. God never cursed Adam and Eve.
The only one cursed in Genesis 3 was the serpent but you can give it your free for all spin.
I agree..
Oh, I too believe the curses can operate in the life of a Believer. That's the whole purpose to having our minds re-newed to the truths of Christ. That's the purpose for the promises of God who through faith and patience we experience them. (patience?..what?..that did have to be in there..didn't it?..lol )
A lot of us want to put everything into the sweet by and by when we get to heaven and some try to say the curse was "spiritual death" - which that is a part of it for sure but Deut. 28 is quite clear what the curse of the law is.
In the law - if you obeyed - you were blessed...if you disobeyed you got the curse. In the New Covenant we get the grace of Christ operating in our lives to those who believe. There are still natural consequences for our actions in this earth which is why we are to learn to walk by the spirit so that we don't act on the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
I like and choose the blessing of being a new creation in Christ - over the law or any church teachings that negate the truth of the work of Christ towards us. We are in the New Covenant of grace and not the Old Covenant of law.
Oh, I too believe the curses can operate in the life of a Believer. That's the whole purpose to having our minds re-newed to the truths of Christ. That's the purpose for the promises of God who through faith and patience we experience them. (patience?..what?..that did have to be in there..didn't it?..lol )
A lot of us want to put everything into the sweet by and by when we get to heaven and some try to say the curse was "spiritual death" - which that is a part of it for sure but Deut. 28 is quite clear what the curse of the law is.
In the law - if you obeyed - you were blessed...if you disobeyed you got the curse. In the New Covenant we get the grace of Christ operating in our lives to those who believe. There are still natural consequences for our actions in this earth which is why we are to learn to walk by the spirit so that we don't act on the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
I like and choose the blessing of being a new creation in Christ - over the law or any church teachings that negate the truth of the work of Christ towards us. We are in the New Covenant of grace and not the Old Covenant of law.
L
a scripture that does come to mind for us believers in this C., that there will be a famine for lack of the word
Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord GOD, "When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. Amos 8:11
interestingly, it is God who declares that HE will send the famine
I think we are seeing that ... a whole other thread and would make a good one probably
and for sure there would be people saying..'no way!'...but a good study would indicate otherwise
good thoughts! garee
I have heard many stories of women believing that they were not under the curse and had children without pain. Now either they are lying or maybe they are believing God. I'll leave that judgment for Christ.
Jesus did say "All things are possible for those who believe" ..but it has to be based on the truth of God's word. And all true "believing" is a matter of the heart - not mental assent in our minds. Big vast difference there.
Anyway..just my thoughts on it..
Jesus did say "All things are possible for those who believe" ..but it has to be based on the truth of God's word. And all true "believing" is a matter of the heart - not mental assent in our minds. Big vast difference there.
Anyway..just my thoughts on it..
L
well, ok...hang on a minute...the very instant anyone starts saying things like 'I know that certain people don't understand that God cannot change', some folks are going to get their hackles up
what do we really know? let's not say we know the hearts and minds of others...it's a new day ....
so:
of course the Word of God is not sad! you have or seem to have a close ended view and expect people to see it your way
I am and always will be hopefully, OPEN to discussion...but you might try to understand, Mr Gandalf, that people shut down when you approach them in a manner that suggests you have the final say
I am no stranger to the OT...I know some are these days...but I am not...the NT is best understood with a well built foundation from the old
however, the new SUPERCEDES the old!
it is also insulting when you say things like: 'you can give it your free for all spin'
there you go with that 'superior knowledge' thing you have going on
it is not attractive and most people will draw back and not care to know more of what you do not have to offer
what do we really know? let's not say we know the hearts and minds of others...it's a new day ....
so:
of course the Word of God is not sad! you have or seem to have a close ended view and expect people to see it your way
I am and always will be hopefully, OPEN to discussion...but you might try to understand, Mr Gandalf, that people shut down when you approach them in a manner that suggests you have the final say
I am no stranger to the OT...I know some are these days...but I am not...the NT is best understood with a well built foundation from the old
however, the new SUPERCEDES the old!
it is also insulting when you say things like: 'you can give it your free for all spin'
there you go with that 'superior knowledge' thing you have going on
it is not attractive and most people will draw back and not care to know more of what you do not have to offer
I think you are combing two scriptures into one made up one there.
1 John 1:7 says that " if ( because in my view ) we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin." ( This cleansing is in the continuous present tense - always cleansing us )
I believe it is talking about a condition...anyway...that is a different subject and I do agree that we will have consequences in this life for our actions.
Amen...it is His life that saves us as we walk by the spirit. If we take up shooting heroin in our arms - we will die before our time from that consequence.
1 John 1:7 says that " if ( because in my view ) we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin." ( This cleansing is in the continuous present tense - always cleansing us )
I believe it is talking about a condition...anyway...that is a different subject and I do agree that we will have consequences in this life for our actions.
Amen...it is His life that saves us as we walk by the spirit. If we take up shooting heroin in our arms - we will die before our time from that consequence.
Lauren since the first day we interacted I didn't understand you and I actually thought you were a troll until I saw the amount of posts you have. Maybe I am being judgemental when I see your posts... I don't know. If I am I have to work on myself because I am the kind of person that will either like you..... or not. And in your case it was or not. I am struggling with this and for that reason I am going to excuse myself from chatting further on your forum.
It is not you it is me.
Please accept my apology.
It is not you it is me.
Please accept my apology.
H
I have heard many stories of women believing that they were not under the curse and had children without pain. Now either they are lying or maybe they are believing God. I'll leave that judgment for Christ.
Jesus did say "All things are possible for those who believe" ..but it has to be based on the truth of God's word. And all true "believing" is a matter of the heart - not mental assent in our minds. Big vast difference there.
Anyway..just my thoughts on it..
Jesus did say "All things are possible for those who believe" ..but it has to be based on the truth of God's word. And all true "believing" is a matter of the heart - not mental assent in our minds. Big vast difference there.
Anyway..just my thoughts on it..