Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
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I too would like to know how you trinitarians will answer this one. Because I myself am really confused as to what you trinitarians believe. Do you believe in a three entity concept that all three are needed to have one united Supreme Being? What is it exactly you trinitarians believe? This is what I have been trying to work out.
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With you it may be impossible .. You are like a Pharisee looking to control/impress someone with your vanity ..
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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if you had read the parts of my paper I posted, I clearly defined the differences between "being" or ousia and "person" or hypostasis.
God has one being or substance. That is his essence. The Father is a person, Jesus is a person, and the Holy Spirit is a person.
But:
The Father is NOT the Son
The Father is NOT the Holy Spirit.
The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit.
Acknowledge you me wrong use of the English words, "being" and "persons!" Admit they are completely different words, not the same definition. Then you will have a hope of understanding the Trinity.
As it stands now, you have acknowledged your confusion. Confess your erroneous use of the 2 words, and then we can help you understand that without a Triune God, you cannot be a. Christian, you cannot be saved or sanctified.
God has one being or substance. That is his essence. The Father is a person, Jesus is a person, and the Holy Spirit is a person.
But:
The Father is NOT the Son
The Father is NOT the Holy Spirit.
The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit.
Acknowledge you me wrong use of the English words, "being" and "persons!" Admit they are completely different words, not the same definition. Then you will have a hope of understanding the Trinity.
As it stands now, you have acknowledged your confusion. Confess your erroneous use of the 2 words, and then we can help you understand that without a Triune God, you cannot be a. Christian, you cannot be saved or sanctified.
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Admitting that 'being' and 'person' are two different words in the Trinity context is not an issue and was never an issue.
Ok, now that they are different words;
Is Jesus one being by Himself? Is Jesus one person by Himself? Is Jesus God by himself or is He God only with the other two persons?
This are the questions that may help me understand and i don't think they are hard questions. For a third time i'm asking, no PHD papers needed.
Ok, now that they are different words;
Is Jesus one being by Himself? Is Jesus one person by Himself? Is Jesus God by himself or is He God only with the other two persons?
This are the questions that may help me understand and i don't think they are hard questions. For a third time i'm asking, no PHD papers needed.
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My truth doesn't come from the WT society it comes from the bible. Moreover, the stance on blood transfusion has not changed the WT society still maintain that blood transfusion goes contrary to what the bible teaches, "to keep abstaining...from blood" (Acts 15:28,29) so you must have misread something when you say you remember reading that they now accept transfusion, furthermore, they have always maintained that to accept blood transfusion is up for every Christian and their conscience to decide whether or not they accept transfusions.
Examine this post of yours. You have a concept of God. You then make the bible fit it.
If you start from another place you will see what we see.
No "trinitarian" can fully explain God.
Like paul we see in part. We see The Father is eternal Diety and a person. He looks like us.
We see Jesus. Eternal and God -Man. He is a person. We see the Holy Spirit. Diety and referred to as a person.
Jesus prayed that we would be one as THEY are one.
You can not roll that into human mental pidgeon holes.
It is not of our known dimension. Not a natural dynamic,but a supernatural one.
If you start from another place you will see what we see.
No "trinitarian" can fully explain God.
Like paul we see in part. We see The Father is eternal Diety and a person. He looks like us.
We see Jesus. Eternal and God -Man. He is a person. We see the Holy Spirit. Diety and referred to as a person.
Jesus prayed that we would be one as THEY are one.
You can not roll that into human mental pidgeon holes.
It is not of our known dimension. Not a natural dynamic,but a supernatural one.
Amen Angela! 
There is one God in essence/nature; yet three distinct persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There is one God in essence/nature; yet three distinct persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
They were rock-solid on this.
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Amen Angela! There is one God in essence/nature; yet three distinct persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There is one God in essence/nature; yet three distinct persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
It clouds the word .
God is one.
One God
God is 3 period. The word confirms it eloquently.
One yet 3.
Not "essence"or "nature"....just one.
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