Are you saved before or after you are baptized?

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Kakashi

Kakashi

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eric51 said:
Salvation comes from cooperating with God's grace. You do that by doing the best you can, and when you stumble, repenting, and trying to do the best you can again. You live this way for a lifetime. When you die, God will judge that life. That you have tried to be obedient, is what we hope He will find pleasing, and thus judge you "saved". That is why Christ came in the form of a man and was willling to be crucified. His crucifixion was an expiation to the Father, a perfect sacrifice. Because the Father is perfect, the Father could not bring people who were imperfect to salvation. The LAW demanded perfect obedience. Christ's expiation allowed the Father to substitute Grace for Law when judging us. Grace makes allowances for our imperfections. That is why our efforts, so imperfect, God can now find pleasing.

Another thing. The bible is not a textbook to Christianity. You learn by listening to the Church, not by studying something written 2000 years ago for many different reasons and by many different people. Study the bible, but study it with guidance.
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i agree with your first point to a certain degree, but your second point is completely...I don't even know what to say to that man. The bible IS Christianity. I understand we must not forsake the assembly of ourselves, for we each learn from each other, but without th bible, the church has nothing to stand on. it is possible, to learn outside of the church, and thank God we can, because there have been and still are many false prophets and belifs and churches. How do we know what is false unless we study for ourselves as well as other with discernment? The gospal comes first, no matter what. We must know Word as the truth, and then reflect what the church says by if what they teach is correct according to the bible.

It seems that we have gone down a rabbit trail off the main subject. let's just agree to disagree with the entire thread. What's important is that we both know of Christ grace in our, and that's sufficient for me. ^_^
 
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