Are you saved if you are not obedient?
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Would he still be saved without works of precious metals and stones? Paul says he is. So that means the works being spoken of can not be the works of the new nature, for John says that the person who does not have a lifestyle of righteous works is not born again.
If Paul was saying a person can have no change of life workings and he will still be saved he would be directly contradicting John. So Paul has to be talking about something else. But lots of people think Paul is telling us we'll be saved when we die even if we don't have works of righteousness. That's not what John said.
If Paul was saying a person can have no change of life workings and he will still be saved he would be directly contradicting John. So Paul has to be talking about something else. But lots of people think Paul is telling us we'll be saved when we die even if we don't have works of righteousness. That's not what John said.
Simple answer is yes. There are many believers who don't obey His word of believers NEVER perishing. DO NOT/WILL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION. ARE SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.
They have kicked the can down the road to their tune of self righteousness and don't obey His word of being filled with the Spirit and walking in the Spirit.
Still saved, but will have shame and ashes at His Bema seat.
They have kicked the can down the road to their tune of self righteousness and don't obey His word of being filled with the Spirit and walking in the Spirit.
Still saved, but will have shame and ashes at His Bema seat.
New American Standard Bible
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 12:14, “Pursue peace with all, and pursue set-apartness without which no one shall see the Master.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Thessalonians 4:7-8, “For Yah did not call us to uncleanness, but in set-apartness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but Yah, who also gives us His Set-apart Spirit.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 5:19-21, "And the works of the flesh are well-known, which are these: adultery, whoring, uncleanness, indecency, idolatry, drug sorcery, hatred, quarrels, jealousies, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, murders, drunkenness, wild parties, and the like – of which I forewarn you, even as I also said before, that those who practice such as these shall not inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 5:3-5, "But whoring and all uncleanness, or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart ones neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving. For this you know, that no one who whores, nor unclean one, nor one greedy of gain, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the reign of Messiah and YHWH.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 32:5, “A twisted and crooked generation has corrupted itself, Their blemish, they are not His children."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 12:14, “Pursue peace with all, and pursue set-apartness without which no one shall see the Master.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Thessalonians 4:7-8, “For Yah did not call us to uncleanness, but in set-apartness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but Yah, who also gives us His Set-apart Spirit.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 5:19-21, "And the works of the flesh are well-known, which are these: adultery, whoring, uncleanness, indecency, idolatry, drug sorcery, hatred, quarrels, jealousies, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, murders, drunkenness, wild parties, and the like – of which I forewarn you, even as I also said before, that those who practice such as these shall not inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 5:3-5, "But whoring and all uncleanness, or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart ones neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving. For this you know, that no one who whores, nor unclean one, nor one greedy of gain, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the reign of Messiah and YHWH.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 32:5, “A twisted and crooked generation has corrupted itself, Their blemish, they are not His children."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]
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John says in 1 John 3:4-10 that the person who doesn't have works is not born again and, so, we know he won't be saved when he dies. But people are claiming that Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 3 that a person will be saved even if he doesn't have any spiritual works. Don't you see that Paul can't be talking about not having a changed life and still be being saved despite your disobedience in 1 Corinthians 3? If he is, then he is directly contradicting John.
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If you think people are either agreeing or disagreeing with you based on the poll, you're missing a larger picture. How many didn't vote at all because we know we aren't obedient all the time, so obedience isn't a sign of salvation?
Once in a while, just once in a while, (again because I know no one is fully obedient), why not consider God over personal opinion or prove-a-point?
Once in a while, just once in a while, (again because I know no one is fully obedient), why not consider God over personal opinion or prove-a-point?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]