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I am a spirit and I am saved from much, and saved for much. I have an earthen vessel that will eventually be changed or dissolved, so if I am this earthen vessel, then I won't be saved from being dissolved or changed, but I am a spirit and not this earthen vessel.
Thanks for the post. I love you all.
Thanks for the post. I love you all.
I was saved by "accident". I didn't know what I was asking. And if I had known I wouldn't have thought myself worthy to ask for it...
Ephesians 3:20-21
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Ephesians 3:20-21
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
M
This is adorable Grandpa.
but by Accident? I don't think so
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. - Romans 8
but by Accident? I don't think so
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. - Romans 8
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John 17
The Disciples in the World
13“But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. 14“I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15“I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17“Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. 18“As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19“For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Their Future Glory
22“The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24 “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25“O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; 26and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
so that they may see My glory!!!!
The Disciples in the World
13“But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. 14“I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15“I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17“Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. 18“As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19“For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Their Future Glory
22“The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24 “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25“O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; 26and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
so that they may see My glory!!!!
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No not yet. I dont think I have worked hard enough to be deserving yet. Yesterday I helped an Old Lady cross the road, chalk that up as one more good deed towards my good deeds list. So I know that helped me get that much toward perfection, then as I stand flawless in front of God, I will deserve his salvation because of all the hard work I did on earth.
Because you know Heb 5:9 he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that work hard doing good deeds.
And Jesus said "after ye have worked hard enough doing good deeds, say it was only our duty to do - Luk 17:10
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
Because you know Heb 5:9 he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that work hard doing good deeds.
And Jesus said "after ye have worked hard enough doing good deeds, say it was only our duty to do - Luk 17:10
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
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No not yet. I dont think I have worked hard enough to be deserving yet. Yesterday I helped an Old Lady cross the road, chalk that up as one more good deed towards my good deeds list. So I know that helped me get that much toward perfection, then as I stand flawless in front of God, I will deserve his salvation because of all the hard work I did on earth.
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
J
No not yet. I dont think I have worked hard enough to be deserving yet. Yesterday I helped an Old Lady cross the road, chalk that up as one more good deed towards my good deeds list. So I know that helped me get that much toward perfection, then as I stand flawless in front of God, I will deserve his salvation because of all the hard work I did on earth.
Because you know Heb 5:9 he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that work hard doing good deeds.
And Jesus said "after ye have worked hard enough doing good deeds, say it was only our duty to do - Luk 17:10
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
Because you know Heb 5:9 he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that work hard doing good deeds.
And Jesus said "after ye have worked hard enough doing good deeds, say it was only our duty to do - Luk 17:10
Is that about what your looking for? There debate on!
F
No it reflects what you wan and need me to say, so you can have a reason to reject the thought of you having to obey God.
Well not you really, sense you believe you were chosen for no reason to go to heaven, and others were created just to be punished, I guess none of it applies to you and your elite group of the saved.
Theres your theology, God creating people and punishing them for no reason, and placing the blame on them, knowing they had no choice in the matter - Matt 25
Well not you really, sense you believe you were chosen for no reason to go to heaven, and others were created just to be punished, I guess none of it applies to you and your elite group of the saved.
Theres your theology, God creating people and punishing them for no reason, and placing the blame on them, knowing they had no choice in the matter - Matt 25
J
I am commanded by God to obey. I do not deny that.
Scripture testifies that those who are saved are not the elite.
1 Corinthians 1
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[d]
No, there is reason. They do choose.
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Ephesians 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[b] for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[d] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[e] to the praise of his glory.
Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,
Scripture testifies that those who are saved are not the elite.
1 Corinthians 1
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[d]
No, there is reason. They do choose.
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Ephesians 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[b] for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[d] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[e] to the praise of his glory.
Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,
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Yes, I believe I am. John said we can "know we have eternal life" by the things written. I believe that consists of looking into the perfect law of liberty (the word of God James 1:25), and abiding in His will (I Jn 2:28).
I Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
If I ever choose to abide in my own will, the lusts of the flesh, and live in such a manner, then I wont be so sure.
Not that God will take it back, he gave it once and thats all that's needed, but instead, by me living that way, I reject it.
Like the prodigal son who left the Father, while he was away in the world living for himself, his father said he was "dead".
When he returned, (repentance) his father said he was "alive again".
Even if you dont agree, I hope you at least understand my reasoning for why I feel this way.
So I feel if I choose to leave, like him, I am dead. If not literally dead, then it must mean spiritually dead, and I dont see how I can be saved being spiritually dead.
I Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
If I ever choose to abide in my own will, the lusts of the flesh, and live in such a manner, then I wont be so sure.
Not that God will take it back, he gave it once and thats all that's needed, but instead, by me living that way, I reject it.
Like the prodigal son who left the Father, while he was away in the world living for himself, his father said he was "dead".
When he returned, (repentance) his father said he was "alive again".
Even if you dont agree, I hope you at least understand my reasoning for why I feel this way.
So I feel if I choose to leave, like him, I am dead. If not literally dead, then it must mean spiritually dead, and I dont see how I can be saved being spiritually dead.
J
I struggled with them for a long time. I hated them. I hated the whole notion that God is the author of Salvation.
Hebrews 2:10
In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.
Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Webster's Dictionary:
Author -
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a: one that originates or creates : source <software authors> <film authors> <the author of this crime>
bcapitalized: god 1
2
: the writer of a literary work (as a book)
Hebrews 2:10
In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.
Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Webster's Dictionary:
Author -
1
a: one that originates or creates : source <software authors> <film authors> <the author of this crime>
bcapitalized: god 1
2
: the writer of a literary work (as a book)
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Yes jimmydiggs,
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. - 1 Corinthians 1:18
and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. - 2 Thessalonians 2:10
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. - 1 Corinthians 1:18
and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. - 2 Thessalonians 2:10