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Are You Saved?

  • yes

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  • no

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  • i don't know

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eternally-gratefull

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I see what you are saying now. And I agree. Thanks for that clarification.
no prob, It is like I have been saying, if people would just try to understand what OSAS means, and get away from what they have been taught it means, i think many would agree with its basic principle and understand why we believe it to be true.

Not that people do not abuse OSAS, they do. James and Jude, even peter and Paul fought this licentious attitude all through their letters. And I will fight them just as hard as i do those who teach works.

But just because some misuse and abuse it. does not make it a false doctrine. which is what I have been trying to say.
 
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cfultz3

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Still sounds like your teaching OSAS.

Those who believe OSAS have come out of believing their flesh can please God. thus it can not be of works.

One who comes out of just head knowledge (mere belief) and truly repent that God is real, his judgments are righteous. And the sin which I have committed has separated me from him, thus they WILL WORK. because they have fully trusted God in ALL he says.
Does everyone give an AMEN to this? I do.......
 
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cfultz3

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#63
But just because some misuse and abuse it. does not make it a false doctrine. which is what I have been trying to say.

Again, i apologize for the title, I would take it back if I could. So, as each was and is being lead away from the darkness to the glorious Light, let us all tell of our walk with Him and how He is leading each home.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#64
Again, i apologize for the title, I would take it back if I could. So, as each was and is being lead away from the darkness to the glorious Light, let us all tell of our walk with Him and how He is leading each home.
Don't worry about the title. it is not that that matters, it is what we come to understand about each others belief system that matters. Titles are just a thing :)
 
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To call oneself saved because of doctrine or adherance is vanity.

Jesus came to save all men, and God's will be done.

We may only love. Nothing else is within our power.

TO have this idea that only those who have certain doctrine are 'saved', or that there are some who lose salvation for their sins is horrendous.

Let me ask you, do you sin?

So then why are you different to your brother who sins? Why are you saved and your brother is not?

Can you boast 'I am saved' because of the 'type' of faith you have?

Can you condemn your brother?

Was it not Jesus, the very giver of life, the saver of people, the Messiah, who came to die for the sins of all men?

So that the price for sin is no longer death.

So that we shall come to see the Lamb turn to Lion and the days where every man comes to know Jesus Christ?

So then who can say 'I have believed in the right way, so I can boast and I am 'born again' and I AM SAVED but YOU ARE NOT because you are not BORN AGAIN?

THis is madness.

Jesus came to save all men.

Who has power to do that except Jesus?

Who can say 'I have believed righteously and done what you asked so I am saved'.

ALL MEN WILL COME TO KNOW CHRIST!

Jesus paid the debt of sin. FOR EVERY SIN!

So that what is left for us is to love one another.

This bears no part on whether we are saved. But let me ask, is a world of love better than a world of hate?

So then let it be a world of love! It is benificial..

Our sin will BE REVISITED UPON us. WE shall see the mirror clearly, no longer faded.

The will of God is that all men come to know Christ. That we see that mirror clearly.

Then who can say 'I have done enough'. Nobody has done enough.

NOBODY.

But in that knowledge of Christ we will be afforded a look at ourselves as God sees us. We will be judged against our own judgement.

So then who can be better than another, or above another?

So we do what we do, FOR OTHERS. Not for ourselves. We are already saved.
 
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Plus God is way smart.

It's not like He'll say when we get to heaven 'oh You're an episcopalian, you're not saved'.

Denominationalism is completely useless.

And to have any idea that anything we can do will gain us entry into heaven ,including what we believe and do, is also useless.

It comes down to this, we're complete children compared to God.

IDiotic, moronic, rebellious little children, and we're all trying to run into the sea because most of us don't know any better.

Jesus is like the net cast out by God to get us all before we drop into the sea and drown.

And in that net, we all try to get to the top to be let out first, over the space of a lifetime.

And God says to the onesat the top when He gets there 'have manners, and patience. Don't step on your brother to get to me. Don't tread. Be gentle. Hug each other. Share your bread for we all need to eat. The one who is cut and hurt, shelter him'.

It doesn't affect the outcome. We all get out of the net. But some are in for a harsh scolding.

We're all in that net together people.

It's not about being saved. It's about having the patience and kindness to make that net as great a place as it can be for those around us.

The world can be something really special if people stop trying to get ahead and start trying to give way.
 
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#67
Eventually everyone will say, 'aw nevermind, it doesnt matter who's at the top. Let's all sit and eat together, break bread together, and laugh. Let's all help the tangled people get untangled'.
 
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#69
Discipline is stong in English language.

Rather 'reform' or 'correct'.

But the idea stands.

If I do wrong, or have the wrong attitude, it needs to be 'reformed' into the right one.

God does this by love.

FOr we shall see as we are fully known, even as Jesus is fully known.
 
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FOr instance, if in the past I have slept with a girl, when I see in the mirror as I am known, I imagine I will see the emotional and physical effects and consequences of this sin, and the cultural and social effects in their entireity. I will know fully the REASON why it is even a sin at all. For I can do all, but not all is BENIFICIAL.

In knowing this truth, my heart will judge me according to that truth, so my sin will be upon me.

I will know it's entireity and the reason WHY I should not do it. In total truth afforded me by God, I become completely aware of that and will no longer see reason to engage in such activity. Then I am reborn of that sin.

Before, the price would be death, but Jesus paid that cost, and now my price is rebirth. It is life. I will be reborn of that sin.
 
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#71
And to an extent, I see the reasons why it is wrong already, to an extent.. But as Jesus says, while on Earth, we see a mirror with a faded reflection.
 
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cfultz3

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This is not material build on the foundation of Christ. If there is more than one way, then there is no Way.

To call oneself saved because of doctrine or adherance is vanity. -- emptiness is in the void of darkness.

Jesus came to save all men, and God's will be done. -- He came so that through (channel of an act) Him, all may be afforded salvation. There is but one Way.

We may only love. Nothing else is within our power.

TO have this idea that only those who have certain doctrine are 'saved', or that there are some who lose salvation for their sins is horrendous. -- It is only those who hold to the dotrine of Christ being the only way to salvation who are saved. It is by grace that we are saved by faith. If one chooses not faith in Christ, then yes Mediate, they are not saved. It is they who build upon the foundation of Christ that are saved. One cannot deny Christ and yet claim His shed blood as their appeasment offer.

Let me ask you, do you sin?

So then why are you different to your brother who sins? -- Why not then let us all forsake God and live a life of pleasure, seeing that at the end, even satan himself will be reconciled through Christ's shed blood.

Why are you saved and your brother is not? -- Because it is said, by faith you are saved.

Can you boast 'I am saved' because of the 'type' of faith you have? -- May not be able to boast, but you can say you are saved because of Him inside telling you so. There is but one faith and that is believing that Jesus is who He said He is and that He will do as He has said He will do. Any other faith which says all are saved regardless of faith or not, is not worthy of consideration.

Can you condemn your brother? -- No. But surely God will remain faithful to His decrees.

Was it not Jesus, the very giver of life, the saver of people, the Messiah, who came to die for the sins of all men? -- He died for past sins. One will need faith and trust in Him as their High Priest to ask for forgiveness afterwards. Forgiveness is afforded to those who approach the Mercy Seat.

So that the price for sin is no longer death. -- The price we all must, before being converted, pay for sin is death, seeing that there is no justification for those who are under the Law. It is they who are under Christ who has that adverse sentencing removed as their condemnation.

So that we shall come to see the Lamb turn to Lion and the days where every man comes to know Jesus Christ? -- what then become of those who shall experience the second death and of whom it is said that they shall receive an everlastion DESTRUCTION from the PRESENCE of the Lord? Is not the foundation of Christ saying, 'Come to me and believe in me'. Does not that same foundation say, 'Now there is no condemnation in those who believe'. So, teaching one can obtain salvation without faith, seeing that it is said all will be saved, is not based upon the doctrine which Christ taught.

So then who can say 'I have believed in the right way, so I can boast and I am 'born again' and I AM SAVED but YOU ARE NOT because you are not BORN AGAIN? -- Those who will say, 'I have believed in Jesus and that alone is the right way.' The one who is not born again still remains a child of the rebellion. What hope is there for them to escape God's wrath, if the only Way is forsaken in hopes of Universal Salvation?

THis is madness. -- Indeed, THAT is madness.

Jesus came to save all men. -- But will all believe?

Who has power to do that except Jesus? -- It is not a question of Him having the power, certainly He does. But did He really saved all, or did/does He save those who come to Him as the Way?

Who can say 'I have believed righteously and done what you asked so I am saved'. -- We, who believe Jesus to be the Messiah and we have done what you asked of us: abandoned our wicked life in exchange for You.'

ALL MEN WILL COME TO KNOW CHRIST! -- All will see Him as He is: the Lord. But after death, it is too late to repent, seeing that then it is judgment. What of those people who will not repent of their wickedness in Revelation? They too will receive the blessedness of everlasting life as the righteous? What then is the purpose of faith, even of Christ's death, even of God's wrath upon the unrighteousness of the unrighteous?

Jesus paid the debt of sin. FOR EVERY SIN! -- for every past sin. Forgiveness is given to those who seek it truely. But where is forgiveness for the one who does not seek to be reconciled to God? What of the one who mocks the blood of Christ?

So that what is left for us is to love one another. -- and of those who do not love, shall they be forced to love the coming of the Christ?

This bears no part on whether we are saved. But let me ask, is a world of love better than a world of hate? -- a world of love

So then let it be a world of love! It is benificial..

Our sin will BE REVISITED UPON us. WE shall see the mirror clearly, no longer faded. -- And this was spoken to the children of God, not the children of the rebellion. We shall be known as we truly are and shall receive a new name. Who then is on the outside of God's Kingdom? Shall they also be able to enter?

The will of God is that all men come to know Christ. -- It is the desire of God that all be saved. But if it is the will of God for all to be saved, then have we not mocked the death of the Savior by saying it was God's will all along that all will be saved?

That we see that mirror clearly.

Then who can say 'I have done enough'. Nobody has done enough. -- Faith in Christ is enough for salvation.

NOBODY. -- I beg to differ. We who believes in our Messiah will be told, 'your faith has saved you.'

But in that knowledge of Christ we will be afforded a look at ourselves as God sees us. We will be judged against our own judgement. -- And to those who are on His left, they who had no faith, shall they not be sentenced with an everlasting destruction from His presence? If it is everlasting, how then can they ever come again before Him? But yes, you are correct in saying that our own actions will be our judging.

So then who can be better than another, or above another? So, I say again, why even bother with Christ when, in the end, we all are saved? Christ and His doctrine of faith cannot be found in what you are teaching here, Universal Salvation.

So we do what we do, FOR OTHERS. Not for ourselves. We are already saved. -- We love because we are loved. And we wish to show others the Means of that love and in them accepting forgivness, they too may turn from their wickedness and live as our Christ did. How then can it be said that we all are children of God if not all are reborn as one of His children? Do they not remain a child of the rebellion and under God's wrath. So then, let us show Light to them so that they might repent and be reborn.
 
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ByGraceSaved

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...So, as each was and is being lead away from the darkness to the glorious Light, let us all tell of our walk with Him and how He is leading each home.
I agree. Every believer has this in common -
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
(Colossians 1:12-14)


Every unbeliever has this in common -
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(2 Corinthians 4:3-4)



For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
(2 Corinthians 4:5-6)
 
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hopesprings

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I am saved...I am being saved...I will be saved.
 
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How can we mock the saviour for dying for all the sin of man? It is through this very means that God will bring all men unto Him.

The question I get asked all the time is:

'If you believe that all will be saved, why not just run around sinning?'


And I cannot answer that for you. If you have no reason to abstain from sins other than 'for my salvation' then that is something you must figure out on your own.

Let's look at what Jesus actually says:

'When I am lifted up from the Earth, I will draw all unto myself'.

Jesus' death and resurrection after He died for sin, shows that sin and death do not have any power.

Jesus died for the sins of man on the cross, and He exclaimed 'It is finished.' He was appointed to die once for sin, as man is appointed to die once.

John tells us that He died not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world'.

Jesus said before He died 'Forgive them, for they know not what they do'. People who had beaten the very Son of God, who were murderers and barbaric. He willed that God forgave them. He forgave them Himself.

He forgave the adulterous woman, one whom people would call unsaved, yet the Saviour saved her Himself.

He taught us 'forgive not seven times, but seventy times seven'. Surely He does not ask anything of us which He is not willing to do.

For it is appointed unto Jesus to judge, with power to condemn, yet He did not. He came to save the world.

'For evern the tax collectors and harlots shall enter the kingdom of heaven before you'.

Even the undesirables will know the true spirit of God before the self professed 'righteous' and judgers of men.

Yet both will enter the kingdom of God.

All men will come to know Christ. And all who come to know Christ shall be saved. This is explicit. Almost word for word.

The resurrection of the dead offers chance for all men to be saved. For as Jesus died once and rose, so shall men die then rise.

And in these times, it will be ALL men. And those who hear, will bow. Every knee. Every tongue.

They will see anguish and sorrow beyond comprehension, adn their eyes will open.

AS in Revelation 'every creature on earth and under the sea, and everything in them' shall praise on the name of the Lamb.
 
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hopesprings

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Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Mt. 7: 13-14
 
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Enter through the narrow gate indeed.
 
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Abiding

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Im still waiting for marianna,


you know you want this