Are You Yest a Pagan?

[crossnote]

Is the God of Israel a thing of the past, and has the Israel of God (what belongs to God) ceased to exist or has it never existed?

The God of Israel is the Eternal God and in the future (after the rapture) will turn again and mainly deal directly with Israel as a people (Rom 11).
But I don't want to derail this thread any further since it's emphasis is on Pagan not Israel.

 

[atwhatcost]

It helps to study, and know what the words Judah and Israel actually mean. There are many translations of these two words, unhappily many are more based on what the person using the translation has in mind, more than what the words actually mean.

I first investigated this in the 1960's and since I have alway made reference to many subsequent postulations on the words. It has become quite confusing since I first began due to the agenda's os so many folks tilting the meanings.

I am stisfied, evensince first studying this, but it will take study for others to be as I am, that is comfortble with my understanding that it is linguistic and not agenda driven.

When I say the Israel of God, or a Jew, I know what I uinderstand, but apparently the majority of others are thinking in terms of what is called Judaism today, also something that does not exist, for the Children of Israel, all the tribes, simply have or had the faith of Abraham. Allo sects under the uimbrell of Judaism arenotnecessarily the faith of Abraham, rather they are new denominations since the advent of our Lord. And so it goes with all denomination called Christian, for we too are adopted into the family of God, Yahweh, and we too are of the faith of Abraham. It is pointless to emphasize any denomination in lieu of the Word of God with the faith of Abraham, which even he received from God, just as we have.

Um, I thought Israel was the name God gave Jacob. And I thought Judah was one of his sons? Outside of that, I thought that was the name of the groups that came from those men. What else do they mean? (I've got zip skills for remember what names mean. lol)

 

[JaumeJ]

Just two references to the subject of who we all are in Jesus Christ.

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

　

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, since my first study of names and words in the Bible, I have witnessed a change over this half century in the rendering of the meanings of the words, though the Hebrew is quite plain on the subject.

If you would like the Biblical rendering of the name, Judah, look in Genesis where Leah gave birth and named her boy child, declaring "now I will praise YIah."

As for the name, Israel, like all names from the word, it is comoposed of a word(s) describing wanted or prophesied attriutes of the person being named. One may understand Israel as meaning "Prince with God.

You use the Internet well enough to have found this forum, so now, look up all the definitions and/or etymologies of Israel you may, and in prayer make your own determinations as I have over the years.

I do not want anyone putting this all on me since there are so many others who have come of late with new meanings, definitions and translations. I know there is but one, that is I am satisfied from my own understanding.

Um, I thought Israel was the name God gave Jacob. And I thought Judah was one of his sons? Outside of that, I thought that was the name of the groups that came from those men. What else do they mean? (I've got zip skills for remember what names mean. lol)

 

[Is]

The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament

A sample...

"If there is an interpretation that totters on a tenuous foundation, it is the view that Paul equates the term “the Israel of God” with the believing church of Jews and Gentiles. To support it, the general usage of the term Israel is Paul, in the New Testament, and in the Scriptures as a whole is ignored. The grammatical and syntactical usage of the conjunction kai is strained and distorted–and the rare and uncommon sense accepted when the usual sense is unsatisfactory–only because it does not harmonize with the presuppositions of the exegete. And to compound matters, in the special context of Galatians and the general context of the Pauline teaching, especially as highlighted in Romans 11, Paul’s primary passages on God’s dealings with Israel and the Gentiles, are downplayed. . . . the doctrine that the church of Gentile and Jews is the Israel of God rests on an illusion. It is a classic case of tendentious exegesis"

It's the "and" in Galatians 6:16 that throws them for a loop.