Ask a "Messianic/Hebrew Rooter" (AMA)
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I see your problem! I have seen countless pastors take a very young man and begin to mentor him. This means talking privately with him all the time, and giving him opportunities to teach and preach. There is nothing wrong with this. I had my mentors in seminary, because I was in churches which did not ordain women, or let them preach. I respected them, although I did not agree with them.
I also had an excellent mentor when I was a chaplain. He was Lutheran and I was Baptist, but we never had disagreements. Of course, he believed in infant baptism, and I did not. But since it was all extremely old people, it was never an issue (although we did baptize one 92 year old woman in a wheelchair, not by immersion, but that is even ok with Baptists) This chaplain gave me so much insight into ministry, and gave me incredible opportunities, including recommending me for a full time chaplain position within the system of the long term care association he was a member of. I could not take that position, unfortunately due to being very ill at the time.
So I don't think that of yours pastor was thinking how knowledgable you were about the Bible, but rather, that you showed tremendous potential in serving God in the future. There is never a wrong time to start TRAINING young people. I would imagine he kept a close eye on your teaching and preaching, and your doctrine either by himself and/or other mature members of the congregation.
But you do not outline the reasons for which you left that church. Did you initiate it because you did not agree with basic AoG doctrines any more? Or did that pastor ask you to leave, as he saw you teaching false doctrine that was leading people astray? You don't have to answer of course. Charisma does go a long way to explaining why your Bible study expanded, too! If you were interesting and excited about what you were teaching, I think it is wonderful the ministry expanded and people were saved.
But still, this does not make you an expert in the Bible. The proof is in the pudding! You embraced heresy, and that tells me your Bible studies were shallow and without any knowledge of exegesis or Bible interpretation. Let alone wisdom, experience or maturity! Sorry to be so harsh, but when you introduce yourself as a Bible expert who embraced a heresy, and don't understand what your pastor was trying to do, it indicates to me, that as a scholar of the Bible myself, you need to be rebuked, not just your false teaching. I know there are people who disagree with my approach, but I have little tolerance for heresy, especially by one presenting himself as an expert when he has no qualifications, training or experience which comes out in the fact that you led yourself astray.
Yes, really.
You asked me to explain a statement I wrote on a different thread, and I did. What more is there to discuss? Why all this gratuitous invective and unsupported accusation? I've directed nothing at you to provoke it. Is that normal for CC? I've seen it here and there and perhaps foolishly thought that by NOT REACTING IN KIND we could raise dialog to a higher level. Perhaps I was wrong.
You asked me to explain a statement I wrote on a different thread, and I did. What more is there to discuss? Why all this gratuitous invective and unsupported accusation? I've directed nothing at you to provoke it. Is that normal for CC? I've seen it here and there and perhaps foolishly thought that by NOT REACTING IN KIND we could raise dialog to a higher level. Perhaps I was wrong.
I have read some of the teachings of Prof W A Liebenber a leading member of the Jewish Roots Movement who offers a free
online course. According to his interpretation of Scripture Christians as portrayed in the New Testament are not Gentiles but members of the ten tribes of Israel. He cites passages concerning the tribe of Ephraim as ''proof text'' together with quotes of Jesus where he says he has come for the lost sheep of israel. Liebenber claims we have all been mislead by Satan for the last couple of thousand years into believing we are not Jews and do not need to follow the Torah. He is basically twisting scripture to convince the unwary that they should be doing so. The Jewish roots movement has ''highjacked Christ'' They are not christian because as Liebenber believes there are no such people as Christians. We are all of the lost tribes of Israel
online course. According to his interpretation of Scripture Christians as portrayed in the New Testament are not Gentiles but members of the ten tribes of Israel. He cites passages concerning the tribe of Ephraim as ''proof text'' together with quotes of Jesus where he says he has come for the lost sheep of israel. Liebenber claims we have all been mislead by Satan for the last couple of thousand years into believing we are not Jews and do not need to follow the Torah. He is basically twisting scripture to convince the unwary that they should be doing so. The Jewish roots movement has ''highjacked Christ'' They are not christian because as Liebenber believes there are no such people as Christians. We are all of the lost tribes of Israel
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take a chill pill
you have answered me whether or not you wanted to
and that is the thing
you REACT instead of just being normal and then you say it was the other person
there was nothing to react to...a simple yes or no question, which you never really answered and you have beaten around the bush so much the birds in the bush are coming back with clubs
LOL!
whatever
you have answered me whether or not you wanted to
and that is the thing
you REACT instead of just being normal and then you say it was the other person
there was nothing to react to...a simple yes or no question, which you never really answered and you have beaten around the bush so much the birds in the bush are coming back with clubs
LOL!
whatever
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yeah
someone else posted about that a couple of weeks back
just bizarre stuff
the more they think they have knowledge, the sillier it all gets
sounds like Romans 1
listen, these folks pretty much distain Paul...that is one big reason they arrive at the extremely erroneous conclusions they have come to
they are not Jewish and I am pretty sure NOTHING is lost to God!
cheers!
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which, to me is strange. Confession time.... I actually have a more difficult time understanding some of the things Jesus said, than what Paul said. To me, Paul is nearly always painfully blunt. Which can be a good thing for some of us hard-headed simple folks... 
that would be the problem actually...he is hard to finagle with...so, just either boot him out altogether or tell everyone they don't understand
reminds me of the old days of Catholicism...prob the new days too
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there's some kind of serious metaphor going on here for missing the larger narrative in the text . . .
. . . but for your sake, and the sake of others, now i don't want to develop it, because my post would be too long, and similarly ignored.
1) Blah
1A Blah Blah Blah
2) Goo-Goo
2A Goo-Goo Gah-Gah
3) Ra Ra
3A Ra Ra sis boom bah
etc., etc.
In such, I'm lost, dazed and confused and frustrated from the start. Still, trying to glean meaning we plow through and run into point 2 ...
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Any response or commentary on the question regarding THE NAME Yeshua?
Where does the Hebrew name for Jesus come from when used as Yeshua?
Is it a projection onto Joshua?
Did we discuss the kabbalist meaning of Hashem in claiming names?
Do we see parallels with claiming Adonaikim, Jehovah, the sacred name systems?
Do you use the word GOD or G-D? Is something missing (or left out in the second)?
Does the hermeneutic and thus the Theology get twisted when we claim a name?
Is there any other name above the name of Jesus, The Way?
Where does the Hebrew name for Jesus come from when used as Yeshua?
Is it a projection onto Joshua?
Did we discuss the kabbalist meaning of Hashem in claiming names?
Do we see parallels with claiming Adonaikim, Jehovah, the sacred name systems?
Do you use the word GOD or G-D? Is something missing (or left out in the second)?
Does the hermeneutic and thus the Theology get twisted when we claim a name?
Is there any other name above the name of Jesus, The Way?
it must always come down to how our Father is speaking to us in His own language, and how we accept
His Holy instructions -
it always depends upon where we are in our journey...
why so many have a hard time understanding, this is a mystery to most, but be reassured,
He knows His people and He knows where they are in their journey, and He does what He does
in His own time...use what He has given to you - and if you do this, many more blessing will be
bestowed upon you and them and will give you the courage and Faith to move onward and upward into
the Holy calling that He has personally given to you. what greater blessing can we believe than
what He has given to us? this world is a cesspool, full of great deception and evil intent =
glean and hold fast what our Father has so Lovingly offered, grab ahold of His grace and make
a difference in what you have been blessed with and share with all whom Jesus has put in your
path and share this un-imaginable Gift with all whom God puts before you and pray that they will
follow in your hOLY journey...
His Holy instructions -
it always depends upon where we are in our journey...
why so many have a hard time understanding, this is a mystery to most, but be reassured,
He knows His people and He knows where they are in their journey, and He does what He does
in His own time...use what He has given to you - and if you do this, many more blessing will be
bestowed upon you and them and will give you the courage and Faith to move onward and upward into
the Holy calling that He has personally given to you. what greater blessing can we believe than
what He has given to us? this world is a cesspool, full of great deception and evil intent =
glean and hold fast what our Father has so Lovingly offered, grab ahold of His grace and make
a difference in what you have been blessed with and share with all whom Jesus has put in your
path and share this un-imaginable Gift with all whom God puts before you and pray that they will
follow in your hOLY journey...
I absolutely believe people are still saved if they don't follow the Law. Jesus said so Himself Matthew 5. But according to that passage, their standing in the Kingdom might be in question. I'm still working through that myself.
Along those same lines, I often wonder what God's response to ANY sin in Scripture is. If it's a sin of ignorance and not knowing that God says something is a sin, I believe there is an extra amount of mercy. But if someone reads something in ANY Scripture that defines a sin, and they willfully decide to ignore it, what is God's response to that? Again, I'm still working through that.
Along those same lines, I often wonder what God's response to ANY sin in Scripture is. If it's a sin of ignorance and not knowing that God says something is a sin, I believe there is an extra amount of mercy. But if someone reads something in ANY Scripture that defines a sin, and they willfully decide to ignore it, what is God's response to that? Again, I'm still working through that.