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I'm all for assembling, don't get me wrong. But consider what we have these days compared to them.

Many of them were uneducated, illiterate, and had to receive their knowledge of Christ orally. Bibles were very expensive. So everyone had to meet together to be instructed in the faith.

Nowadays most everyone in modern countries is literate, educated, has bibles that they can study on their own, and can communicate instantly with just about anyone in the world. It's really incredible what we have.
And when it comes to the Bible, most today are uneducated, illiterate, and have no idea HOW to study.
Why not use the knowledge and understanding you have to ASSEMBLE with others and help them to understand?
Another fact--Most who believe they are all knowing, are the most ignorant of the truth.
Part of assembling is to study and learn together.
You have not offered a sound reason, one that Christ would accept to dismiss the command to assemble.
 
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You have not offered a sound reason, one that Christ would accept to dismiss the command to assemble.
I'm not dismissing the "command" to get together. Everyone has to answer to their own conscience and GOD for what they choose to do.
 

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They met AS a church.
It is not about a building, it is about gathering together. Where is irrevalent.
PEOPLE started meeting together every day....was that an INSTRUCTION from GOD ?
I'm sure they meant well but it is never-the-less DEVIATING from the WORD
and not official worship but SOCIAL gatherings.
There is a difference and should not be a reason for a NEW TREND christianity had started.
The RCC basically INVENTED their own resurrection and own religion.
 

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WOW, you have exposed to many of us here your ignorance of Jeshua's ways and days...you ARE a very real TROLL, worse really...
and yet, we both have made exception for you in certain times because of Christ's Love, but, NOT any more...

Christ always draws His line, and those of us who serve Him must obey His way and speak His Truth././
no matter the cost...
Yes, I'm afraid people have never shyed away from boldly contradicting GOD....some always want to be right.
 

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We don't even agree with that. That is another RCC myth. Christ was buried just before sunset on a Wednesday right before the high Sabbath (John 19:31). By the time Mary discovered Him risen before sunrise on Sunday, He had risen unseen just before sundown on Saturday for 3 days and 3 nights.

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He can't have been raised on the sabbath because the feast of firstfruits (Leviticus 23:10-11) occurs the day after the sabbath. He is the firstfruits from the dead that fulfilled that type. He had to be raised on that day.
Yashua ASCENDED to HEAVEN on the day after the sabbath, the first day of the week to present Himself to the Father ...but He had RESURRECTED BEFORE the first day of the week...resurrection and ascencion are two DIFFERENT events.
 

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Stupid question.
You are just trying to justify disobeying what the Bible teaches.

The church at Jerusalem met daily.
The churches that Paul taught met on a regular basis.
It seems that the example is to meet on a regular basis, as often as possible.
Meeting on a regular basis is one of the easiest commands to follow.
Why do you ignore the command.
NOT to assemble with those of different belief is also a command...so which has authority....just assembling (with anybody) or with 'Likeminded ?
you seem obsessed with just basic assembling...but God gives more detail you seem to ignore.
 

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No, that was the first ascension pictured in the wave sheath. as per the following:
Three days and three nights raises Him on Saturday evening. He had already risen unseen by early Sunday. Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet:

John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

Later that same day He appeared to His disciples and they could touch Him. That is when He told Thomas to touch His wounds and then He ate with them. So, we can say for sure the ascension was on Sunday. We are given a picture of His ascension as the wave sheath day: [look up wave sheath day for yourself] when the first fruits were waved before God as a tribute. This was always done on the first Sunday after Passover.
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Separation is in AGREEMENT....or NOT !
you seem stuck in the roman age when christians only had one choice. when we were either christians ot not, weather we agreed or not, there were no choices and we couldn't share with others 1/2 a world away gods' blessings. to shut ins like me this is a great blessing. no longer do i read the bible alone but i share with and learn from you guys. don't try to take that away.
 

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you seem stuck in the roman age when christians only had one choice. when we were either christians ot not, weather we agreed or not, there were no choices and we couldn't share with others 1/2 a world away gods' blessings. to shut ins like me this is a great blessing. no longer do i read the bible alone but i share with and learn from you guys. don't try to take that away.
I don't quite understand you ! I am almost a 'shut-in and take my life in my hands every time I venture out...but that has nothing to do with SAME belief and SAME agreement with others. What we are to be concerned with is ''TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH GOD''....that is where our UNITY lies, not with each other. We can see that that effort is a total disaster among christians !!! WHY ???
Because FALSE christs were predicted to roam the world/christianity Mat 24 deceiving MANY !!!
So it seems to me - the more we interact with each other the more deception is spread around....UNLESS we learn to speak the WORD of GOD only !!!
Jesus/Yashua being our living walking EXAMPLE.
 

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Yashua ASCENDED to HEAVEN on the day after the sabbath, the first day of the week to present Himself to the Father ...but He had RESURRECTED BEFORE the first day of the week...resurrection and ascencion are two DIFFERENT events.
Matthew 28:1 - Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. 5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. *These post-resurrection appearances of Christ show that Jesus purposefully chose the first day of the week to meet with His disciples.

The evidence shows that these appearances occurred on a Sunday, the first day of the week. After the resurrection of Jesus, whenever He met with His disciples and the day is identified, it is NOT the Sabbath, it is the first day of the week! - To Mary, On the morning of the resurrection - Matthew 28:8-10; Mark 16:9; John 20:11-18; To two disciples going to Emmaus - Luke 24:13-33; Mark 16:12-13; To Simon (Peter) - Luke 24:31-35; To the eleven disciples on the evening of Resurrection Sunday - Mark 16:14-18; Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-23; To the Eleven disciples "Eight days later" - John 20:26-29

Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn't make Sunday the Sabbath, it just shows you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized and is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is on the first day of the week. Look at the very important events that occurred in the life of these followers of Christ on the first day of the week.

Jesus startled them when He appeared to them on the first day (John 20:19).
Jesus received worship from doubting Thomas (John 20:27-28).
On Sunday evening, Jesus took bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to His disciples evidently like He had in instituting the communion meal (Luke 22:19) and their "eyes were opened and they recognized Him" (Luke 24:31).
On Sunday evening, Jesus blessed His disciples twice saying "Peace be with you" (John 20:20; 26).
That same Sunday evening Jesus "..breathed on them and said, 'receive the Holy Spirit'" John 20:22.
On Sunday evening Jesus gave His disciples the ecclesiastical authority to proclaim forgiveness to those who believe in Him through the gospel (John 20:23).

Why did the Disciples meet on Sunday? Because it now carried a special symbolic/anti-typical significance for them. Jesus chose to reveal Himself to them on Sunday. That must hold some kind of Divine significance. Jesus could have chosen to meet with His disciple on the Sabbath. This would have clearly set a New Covenant precedent, yet He did not chose to do so. The Sabbath was the sign of a fulfilled covenant with the Israelites (see Exodus 31:17 & Hebrews 8:13).

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

When are you going to stop worshipping the shadow and start worshipping the Savior? :unsure:
 

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It sounds to me like your saying we have to join or form christian cults? Where every body has to agree? This isn't Rome any more. Now we have Baptists, Luthern, penticostals, anglicans, assemblys of god, foresquare, quaker... Are we supposed to figure which one is right and have meetings where people who don't agree with us aren't welcome? How 'bout we exclude BLACKS, ya know what Noah did? Jews too right? Nope not all was a jesus was a jew, but jesus was set up by the pharisees, let's ban the Pharisees. What if PAUL were to walk in to that meeting? We worship God more here than in any of the churches i've ever been to been to which include most of the ones i have mentioned plus a few i don't. Ya wanna go hear the true message once a week, pay tithe and do volunteer work?

Go to a rescue mission and learn, the real mission is to share. With the Help and love of Jesus.
 

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Matthew 28:1 - Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. 5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. *These post-resurrection appearances of Christ show that Jesus purposefully chose the first day of the week to meet with His disciples.

The evidence shows that these appearances occurred on a Sunday, the first day of the week. After the resurrection of Jesus, whenever He met with His disciples and the day is identified, it is NOT the Sabbath, it is the first day of the week! - To Mary, On the morning of the resurrection - Matthew 28:8-10; Mark 16:9; John 20:11-18; To two disciples going to Emmaus - Luke 24:13-33; Mark 16:12-13; To Simon (Peter) - Luke 24:31-35; To the eleven disciples on the evening of Resurrection Sunday - Mark 16:14-18; Luke 24:36-44; John 20:19-23; To the Eleven disciples "Eight days later" - John 20:26-29

Pentecost happened on the first day of the week! The Church was born on the first day of the week! That doesn't make Sunday the Sabbath, it just shows you that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath is not emphasized and is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. When a day is mentioned in connection with the appearances of the risen Lord Jesus, it is on the first day of the week. Look at the very important events that occurred in the life of these followers of Christ on the first day of the week.

Jesus startled them when He appeared to them on the first day (John 20:19).
Jesus received worship from doubting Thomas (John 20:27-28).
On Sunday evening, Jesus took bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to His disciples evidently like He had in instituting the communion meal (Luke 22:19) and their "eyes were opened and they recognized Him" (Luke 24:31).
On Sunday evening, Jesus blessed His disciples twice saying "Peace be with you" (John 20:20; 26).
That same Sunday evening Jesus "..breathed on them and said, 'receive the Holy Spirit'" John 20:22.
On Sunday evening Jesus gave His disciples the ecclesiastical authority to proclaim forgiveness to those who believe in Him through the gospel (John 20:23).

Why did the Disciples meet on Sunday? Because it now carried a special symbolic/anti-typical significance for them. Jesus chose to reveal Himself to them on Sunday. That must hold some kind of Divine significance. Jesus could have chosen to meet with His disciple on the Sabbath. This would have clearly set a New Covenant precedent, yet He did not chose to do so. The Sabbath was the sign of a fulfilled covenant with the Israelites (see Exodus 31:17 & Hebrews 8:13).

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

When are you going to stop worshipping the shadow and start worshipping the Savior? :unsure:
You are right in what you say about the first day of the week.....all these events were literal and SEEN by people which are NOT evidence of FAITH but simple FACTS Heb 11v1; Rom 14v23.
I'm glad you mentioned Thomas...what did Jesus say to him ? 'because you have SEEN me you believe; blessed are those who have NOT seen and yet believed.. The resurrection is not about SEEING but about BELIEVING what was NOT seen. There were NO eye-witnessess to the actual resurrection, all we have is SCRIPTURE the WORD of GOD telling us WHEN Jesus/Yashua rose from the dead (actually awoke) and it tells us it was BEFORE sunset Sabbath. Can you see the difference between ARISING from the dead and ASCENDING to heaven ? one was seen...the other NOT seen ....the difference between FAITH and FACT.....what you can see is NOT faith.
Christianity is a religion based on facts...NOT faith (as they claim)....it is seriously FLAWED - to put it mildly !
 

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It sounds to me like your saying we have to join or form christian cults? Where every body has to agree? This isn't Rome any more. Now we have Baptists, Luthern, penticostals, anglicans, assemblys of god, foresquare, quaker... Are we supposed to figure which one is right and have meetings where people who don't agree with us aren't welcome? How 'bout we exclude BLACKS, ya know what Noah did? Jews too right? Nope not all was a jesus was a jew, but jesus was set up by the pharisees, let's ban the Pharisees. What if PAUL were to walk in to that meeting? We worship God more here than in any of the churches i've ever been to been to which include most of the ones i have mentioned plus a few i don't. Ya wanna go hear the true message once a week, pay tithe and do volunteer work?

Go to a rescue mission and learn, the real mission is to share. With the Help and love of Jesus.
The point I am making is ''we all have to learn to AGREE with GOD, NOT any of the worldly denominations. Church is not where we will find agreement...only in the Word of GOD...and if we don't we will not be in HIS Kingdom ! Mat 7v21.