atheists

[Kerry]

I don't understand that language. Look, the evidence is all around you just refuse to see it. You've heard the old saying " you can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink". But, stick around, cause when you had enough salt, you will get thirsty. You have the witness over 1 billion people, but you do not see that as evidence. The bible only ask that a thing be verified by two or three.

 

[TheKringledOne]

The number of people who believe it doesn't say anything about its validity. The bible says all sorts of things, but those are asserted claims and not the evidence for the claims. What evidence is there that there is a god? The reason I am an atheist, or agnostic depending on your definitions, is solely because of the lack of any evidence of any god.

 

[Kerry]

Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

The fowl include vultures.

 

[Kerry]

The number of people who believe it doesn't say anything about its validity. The bible says all sorts of things, but those are asserted claims and not the evidence for the claims. What evidence is there that there is a god? The reason I am an atheist, or agnostic depending on your definitions, is solely because of the lack of any evidence of any god.

Its more than ancient aliens. If evidence is the key, they only way to have true evidence is to have faith. Evidence comes after faith. I have lived this Christian life and have seen to much evidence to ever go back. What ancient written word do you have that say's there is no God. I have written word going back and proven going back more than 5,000 years of the account of God where is yours?

 

[Kerry]

Yeah, I hope you come to your senses and accept the work that Jesus did for you. You don't have to tell me, I got saved in my bedroom and not at church, there is nothing embarrassing about it, just what you think is. He is at hand, all you have to do is ask and he will prove himself to you and not me. Whatever it is He will solve it, I cannot but He can. I have seen it happen 100's of times and I know He will let me see it 100's more. Today is the day of salvation, because tomorrow is promised to no man. PM me if you want more, its not a requirement. If I never speak to again, I have presented the cross to you ( not I but the Spirit) and the more you reject the harder it is. May God bless you.

 

[TheKringledOne]

If evidence is the key, they only way to have true evidence is to have faith. Evidence comes after faith.

How does one get faith?

What ancient written word do you have that say's there is no God. I have written word going back and proven going back more than 5,000 years of the account of God where is yours?

This is a strange little argument from antiquity. I could probably cite numerous atheist philosophers from the past who have written things or talk about the godless people who are mentioned in the Hindu Vedas which date back before the time biblical scholars believe genesis was written. But really none of those things matter, because my lack of belief isn't based on any old book. It isn't based on any book. It is based off a lack of justification to the claims being about "God".

 

[Kerry]

How does one get faith?
This is a strange little argument from antiquity. I could probably cite numerous atheist philosophers from the past who have written things or talk about the godless people who are mentioned in the Hindu Vedas which date back before the time biblical scholars believe genesis was written. But really none of those things matter, because my lack of belief isn't based on any old book. It isn't based on any book. It is based off a lack of justification to the claims being about "God".

As I said the evidence is all around, you just choose to not see it. So you want God to show Himself to you. I would say that He has already done that twice. Once it the Ot, and the people said "never do that again, least we die" secondly to Thomas as He asked to put his hands in His wounds.

Like I said, if you want evidence without faith it is possible that will not happen, but the bible declares that every man is given a measure of faith or did He leave you out, maybe He don't like you, maybe He said I will go the cross but not for you. Its your choice, I am simply given the task of telling you ( because I believe and am not some prophet). If I found the greatest cookie ever tasted and didn't tell you, man would you hate me. taste and see that the Lord is good.

 

[Kerry]

Tell me atheist, if there is no God then why is murder a crime. Why is rape an injustice. Were all just animals right. Animals do not hold court and kill their male children because they may cause competition. If we are just animals then why not act like them. This is what are highly educated system is telling our children and why they are busting in schools with guns blazing and have no value of life. They will kill you for your shoes and kill just to kill. Keep teaching this crap and keep ignoring God. If I'm not accoutable and just going to be dust, why don't I kill you and take what you got, Please explain.

 

[TheKringledOne]

Tell me atheist, if there is no God then why is murder a crime. Why is rape an injustice.

Because doing so is not in the interest that I think a lot of people have; which is to live in a happy, healthy, flourishing, cooperative society.

Were all just animals right. Animals do not hold court and kill their male children because they may cause competition. If we are just animals then why not act like them.

Different animals differ hugely in behavior. Rules, and possibly moral systems, seem to exist in other mammals. I don't see why learning that we are, by definition, animals should change our goals or the way we behave towards one another. We have an interesting way of living, and our behaviors seem to be beneficial for us given how successful humans are.

This is what are highly educated system is telling our children and why they are busting in schools with guns blazing and have no value of life.

Who said life has no value here?

They will kill you for your shoes and kill just to kill. Keep teaching this crap and keep ignoring God.

What education system is doing this?

If I'm not accoutable and just going to be dust, why don't I kill you and take what you got, Please explain.

Do you want to live in a happy, healthy, flourishing, cooperative society? Or do you want to live in constant fear that one of your brothers or sisters are going to kill you? I prefer the former to the latter and that is a good reason to not kill people and take their stuff. It is best to act in a way that promotes happiness, well-being, or health or minimizes harm or suffering because that is what is going to make people less likely to want to attack you and when many people follow these rules the society becomes a lot safer.

 

[Kerry]

Dude it no longer safe to send little Johnny to school or are you living under a rock. Its known not to wear expensive things out on a saturday night. Where do you get your morals from, your Mama and where did she them from, college. This is the world we live in, because we have turned from the cross. whats your answer? more programs and studies, maybe we should take away guns, and flat head screwdrivers and knives and rocks. Where do your morals come from and why do we have them, otherwise rape, steal and kill.

 

[TheKringledOne]

I already told you. In order to promote a happy, healthy, flourishing, cooperative society so that we can live in it.

 

[Kerry]

And tell me what does it matter to you. shoot you got yours, so what if little Johnny is gunned down at english class, it don't effect you. Dang, you just gonna die anyway and have no control with your offspring do with your money. would you rather leave them money or hope. With out hope what is a man, Jesus is our hope. Government was formed by God and set in place by God to punish the murder and rapist and robber. Not the intellect of man. Its like the tree birds that sat on a wire and the first bird said my instincts tell me to fly south, the second bird said my instincts tell me to fly north, the third one said my end stinks and don't tell me nothing.

 

[Kerry]

Let me ask you one of two things. Would you allow your 9 year old son or daughter to go 1 mile down the street to play in the park, alone or maybe with some 9 year old friends. Now would you walk the streets of L.A. or New York or Atlanta at 1:00 am with your sweetheart. In 1978 I went to the park and played with my friends and Mama said be home for supper and had no fear in her heart. In 1987 I walked through the streets of Atlanta with my now wife and thought nothing of it. Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty. Where is that liberty now?

 

[Kerry]

What changed?

 

[Kerry]

in 1974 I flew on an airplane for thi first time. We flew from Atlanta to columbus Ga. which is about an hour and half drive,it was a morning flight and They gave me steak and eggs and toast and grits. Where is that now? Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty and prosperity.

 

[TheKringledOne]

And tell me what does it matter to you. shoot you got yours, so what if little Johnny is gunned down at english class, it don't effect you.

Yes it does. Because it has an effect on the way that other people in the world act. It affects how scared people are to do things, and when people are frightened they tend to act somewhat irrationally often to the detriment of society.

Dang, you just gonna die anyway and have no control with your offspring do with your money. would you rather leave them money or hope.

If I have children I would like to leave both.

With out hope what is a man, Jesus is our hope. Government was formed by God and set in place by God to punish the murder and rapist and robber. Not the intellect of man.

The justice system today is very different from the justice system during Jesus' day. It changed due to a great many philosophers and revolutionaries throughout the ages. Why did the courts have to change? To become fair. They were not far before, and they still need work now. If God exists then rapists, robbers and murderers will get what is coming to them in the end anyway, right? So why worry about it on earth? If there is no afterlife, and I don't believe in any sort of afterlife, the only time to get justice is now in this life time. It is our only time to experience it; the only way to get justice is for us to fight for it, demand it, and make it a reality. This is what great people like Asa Philip Randolph, Zora Neale Hurston, Bayard Rustin, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Martin Luther King Jr believed and I share this belief with them. I have hope in that belief, I have faith that it will do our society good and will make all people live better lives.

Its like the tree birds that sat on a wire and the first bird said my instincts tell me to fly south, the second bird said my instincts tell me to fly north, the third one said my end stinks and don't tell me nothing.

This seems to be implying that you think I am a nihilist. I assure you, I am not.

Let me ask you one of two things. Would you allow your 9 year old son or daughter to go 1 mile down the street to play in the park, alone or maybe with some 9 year old friends.

When I was 9 years old, 1998, I would walk miles to see friends. Some of my friends would walk miles to see me; some boys, some girls. Sometimes we would play in the street too. We were not afraid and neither were our parents. I see kids today around that age playing in the streets, even in the poorer neighborhoods that people think of as dangerous.

Now would you walk the streets of L.A. or New York or Atlanta at 1:00 am with your sweetheart.

I walk down the street with my Ru (it kinda means sweetheart I guess, different cultural backgrounds) even when it gets past 1:00 am. I walk down street them some people might say are dangerous. When I look at the statistics it turns out that it is really very safe, so she nor I have no fear of doing it.

Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty. Where is that liberty now?

I don't know about no spirit of God, but I can tell you there is definitely liberty were I live. I want to keep it that way too. I want to allow the ideas and promise of freedom, justice, liberty, happiness and security to flow through the society even more than they do today. That is why I do my best to do moral deeds. I will do good so that more good will bloom from it, and the world will be a better place for me and the people that I care for so dearly.

in 1974 I flew on an airplane for thi first time. We flew from Atlanta to columbus Ga. which is about an hour and half drive,it was a morning flight and They gave me steak and eggs and toast and grits. Where is that now? Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty and prosperity.

More people flying now, and more people scared. Statistically flying is still pretty safe. If you are complaining about the breakfast than you might want to consider paying a little extra for the flight.

What changed?

Economically there have been policy changes that started to be made in the 80s that have been crushing the middle and lower class. So that was a big change, and it tends to make some people feel unsafe and insecure in their life. So that might be a big part of it.

 

[Kerry]

So what changed, the times or the ideologies of man. why did the economics change. did we get stupider. or did we take our eyes off the cross. Was it changing from the Gold standard or changing from the God standard. The evidence is all around you will you choose to see it.

Hey it's going to worse, mark my words, folks will be teaching their kids at home. There will be no walks in the park. A man will kill you for what you have. The only hope is Christ, like it or not that is the truth.

 

[TheKringledOne]

So what changed, the times or the ideologies of man. why did the economics change. did we get stupider. or did we take our eyes off the cross.

I think the later part of the baby boomers dropped the ball on social justice in the United States, which also lets people in high places take advantage of the lower and middle class. The war on drugs and changes to the prison system contributed to the problems throughout the 80s and 90s, but crime has been on the decrease in recent years. Violent crime is getting to be the lowest it has been since the early 1940s, even with our larger population. I would say that besides the economic situation, which people are starting to see more clearly and protest against, things are looking pretty good.

Was it changing from the Gold standard or changing from the God standard. The evidence is all around you will you choose to see it.

I doubt it had too much to do with that. But I admit I am not the most experienced with economics. My professors that I talked to in that field, and my friends who have jobs related to that, have told me that it has more to do with licensing laws and how the unions have become monopolized. Similar things happened in the early 20th century. It seems as though it might be a trend.

Hey it's going to worse, mark my words, folks will be teaching their kids at home. There will be no walks in the park. A man will kill you for what you have. The only hope is Christ, like it or not that is the truth.

I guess I am getting my hope from elsewhere. Times are pretty good now. When I read about what life was like in generations that have passed, I just remember how good I have it and how I am glad that I am living now instead of then. I look forward to the future, and hope that it will be as good as I imagine it to be.

 

[Cycel]

I don't understand that language. Look, the evidence is all around you just refuse to see it. You've heard the old saying " you can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink". But, stick around, cause when you had enough salt, you will get thirsty. You have the witness over 1 billion people, but you do not see that as evidence. The bible only ask that a thing be verified by two or three.

Close to a billion also practice Hinduism, but would you count that as credible evidence for the validity of this faith? Kerry, as The Kringled One says, the number of adherents a faith possesses says nothing about its validity. This should be obvious if you think about it.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I've never understood attributing our morals to a God. Does that mean if evidence arose tomorrow that god didn't exist then you would all go around raping and killing everyone? No you wouldn't! Give yourself some credit!