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Loving your neighbor as yourself is the second table of the 10 commandments. Elin, please stop "nip-picking". You are hurting yourself and others by not accepting the full teaching of the New Cov.. Salvation starts with sanctification and con'ts with sanct, and ends with sanct. Salvation makes us people "zealous for good works," loving and keeping the laws of God. as stated in the N.T.. love Hoffco
Is it called that anywhere in Scripture?
Or is that your name for it?
What to you is "nit-picking," is to others accuracy in handling the word of God, as in your
"salvation starts with sanctification."
Salvation is forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77) through faith alone.
Forgiveness of sin removes our guilt and gives us right standing before God, which Paul calls "justification."
Justification results in adoption into God's family where we then begin
taking on the family characteristic of holiness
(sanctification), through the obedience of faith (not through "breaking moral law")
by the power of grace.
The New Covenant made in the blood of Christ is simply
God's promise of salvation from his wrath (Ro 5:9)
by forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77),
to those of saving faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:16, 36).
Yes, that is why we practice the obedience of faith which sanctifies.
I still don't understand why you say I am "breaking the moral laws of God."
Or is that your name for it?
What to you is "nit-picking," is to others accuracy in handling the word of God, as in your
"salvation starts with sanctification."
Salvation is forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77) through faith alone.
Forgiveness of sin removes our guilt and gives us right standing before God, which Paul calls "justification."
Justification results in adoption into God's family where we then begin
taking on the family characteristic of holiness
(sanctification), through the obedience of faith (not through "breaking moral law")
by the power of grace.
The New Covenant made in the blood of Christ is simply
God's promise of salvation from his wrath (Ro 5:9)
by forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77),
to those of saving faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:16, 36).
Yes, that is why we practice the obedience of faith which sanctifies.
I still don't understand why you say I am "breaking the moral laws of God."
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While I'll be the first to agree that there those present who would try to impose Old Testament law on New Testament believers, there are various sects within Christendom who believe that if you do not embrace their concept of grace, you too are Judaizer whether you are or not.
I've been called a Judaizer by this camp because I believe & whole heartedly embrace 2 Peter 1:2-10 which teaches us that the indwelling Christ (ie. Holy Spirit) empowers New Testament believers to live the Christian life. One can plainly point out how the fruits (divine attributes) of the Holy Spirit made manifest in and through us provides everything necessary to be obedient to the Word of God and that no man can please God or fulfill the law through human effort no matter how hard we may strive, yet you are still called a Judaizer because you believe that obedience (regardless of how it happens) is possible on this side of eternity.
Go figure...
I've been called a Judaizer by this camp because I believe & whole heartedly embrace 2 Peter 1:2-10 which teaches us that the indwelling Christ (ie. Holy Spirit) empowers New Testament believers to live the Christian life. One can plainly point out how the fruits (divine attributes) of the Holy Spirit made manifest in and through us provides everything necessary to be obedient to the Word of God and that no man can please God or fulfill the law through human effort no matter how hard we may strive, yet you are still called a Judaizer because you believe that obedience (regardless of how it happens) is possible on this side of eternity.
Go figure...
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Are you sure they are my words?
Eph 2:8-9 - "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith. . .not by works"
Ro 3:21 - "But now a righteousness (right standing) from God, apart from the law has been made known. . .This righteousness (right standing) from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ
to all who believe."
Ro 3:28 - "A man is justified (made right with God) by faith, apart from observing the law."
Gal 2:16 - "know that a man is not justified (made right with God) by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."
You must have me mistaken for someone else.
Eph 2:8-9 - "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith. . .not by works"
Ro 3:21 - "But now a righteousness (right standing) from God, apart from the law has been made known. . .This righteousness (right standing) from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ
to all who believe."
Ro 3:28 - "A man is justified (made right with God) by faith, apart from observing the law."
Gal 2:16 - "know that a man is not justified (made right with God) by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."
You must have me mistaken for someone else.
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I can't think of a verse in the bible that states we must earn our salvation. Yet I can think of a verse that claims we are saved by faith and not of works.
As far as the portion of your post above goes, it lacks Christian love. It seems full of hatred, accusation and venom. I think it might be best if you were to apologize to her for your offensive words. Women deserve respect even if they have an opinion that is not the same as yours.
As far as the portion of your post above goes, it lacks Christian love. It seems full of hatred, accusation and venom. I think it might be best if you were to apologize to her for your offensive words. Women deserve respect even if they have an opinion that is not the same as yours.
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I was not angry , I was very sad, I can quote scriptures that proves my point; but very few have the insight to see what the Bible is saying. ROMAMS 6:22 shows the necessity of good works for salvation, "But now having been set free from sin and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, EVERLASTING LIFE," How clear can GOD be? Good works are necessary for EVERLASTING LIFE. Love to all, Hoffco
Hey Hoff, good works do not come from following the Law; it is from the fruit of the Tree of Life!
It is the evidence that you are born of God in Jesus, and these good works come from the Holy Spirit!
In other words these good works follow those who are led by the Spirit!
But these good works do not come from you following the Law, but the Spirit!
There are Scripture that tells us to love Jesus, God, His Spirit, The Law of Grace;
but I'm not sure there is one for the Christian faith to love the Old Covenant Law?
i study the Law of Moses that I might better understand somethings, because it is in the Scripture.
Just a few of my thoughts
It is the evidence that you are born of God in Jesus, and these good works come from the Holy Spirit!
In other words these good works follow those who are led by the Spirit!
But these good works do not come from you following the Law, but the Spirit!
There are Scripture that tells us to love Jesus, God, His Spirit, The Law of Grace;
but I'm not sure there is one for the Christian faith to love the Old Covenant Law?
i study the Law of Moses that I might better understand somethings, because it is in the Scripture.
Just a few of my thoughts
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I said NOTHING of following the LAW of GOD. The verse says. good works of righteousness come from being "enslaved to God". How would you interpret "enslaved to God"? OK, to me, it would mean, we will obey God's laws for us in the New Testament. The POINT is, good works are required for ETERNAL LIFE, RIGHT? Hoffco
Are you setting the Scriptures against themselves in
Eph 2:8-9 - "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith. . .not by works"
Ro 3:21 - "But now a righteousness (right standing) from God, apart from the law has been made known. . .This righteousness (right standing) from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ
to all who believe."
Ro 3:28 - "A man is justified (made right with God) by faith, apart from observing the law."
Gal 2:16 - "know that a man is not justified (made right with God) by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."
Part of the problem is your unclear understanding and distinctions
of the meanings of "salvation," "justification" and "sanctification."
Eph 2:8-9 - "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith. . .not by works"
Ro 3:21 - "But now a righteousness (right standing) from God, apart from the law has been made known. . .This righteousness (right standing) from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ
to all who believe."
Ro 3:28 - "A man is justified (made right with God) by faith, apart from observing the law."
Gal 2:16 - "know that a man is not justified (made right with God) by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."
Part of the problem is your unclear understanding and distinctions
of the meanings of "salvation," "justification" and "sanctification."
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So what's the problem then Hoff,
You take everything as if it were said to you personally!
even if it's not!
If you say you know the way, then follow it!
This is a thread about the attack of the Judaizers!
Those who are trying to import the Law of God into the Christian Faith!
If your not trying to do this, then stop walking on both sides of the fence and calling everyone else crazy!
You have the right to your opinion, and I'm glad that you exercise it, your a lot of fun sometimes!
Good works are the evidence, of God's presents in ones life.
many blessings
You take everything as if it were said to you personally!
even if it's not!
If you say you know the way, then follow it!
This is a thread about the attack of the Judaizers!
Those who are trying to import the Law of God into the Christian Faith!
If your not trying to do this, then stop walking on both sides of the fence and calling everyone else crazy!
You have the right to your opinion, and I'm glad that you exercise it, your a lot of fun sometimes!
Good works are the evidence, of God's presents in ones life.
many blessings
K
you can't argue someone into seeing what they have chosen not to see. If you need to go through a whole bunch of mental gymnastics with big fancy words that are nowhere found in scripture, you are calling into subject the sufficiency of God's Word
one thing gets me though. Nowhere does it threaten those who love justice and mercy, but it does say woe to them who break the commandments, and teach others to do the same. So if I'm wrong, no big deal, whereas if you're wrong, woe...
...whatever woe gets you, it's debatable, but it can't be good.
one thing gets me though. Nowhere does it threaten those who love justice and mercy, but it does say woe to them who break the commandments, and teach others to do the same. So if I'm wrong, no big deal, whereas if you're wrong, woe...
...whatever woe gets you, it's debatable, but it can't be good.
The commandments of God after the Cross:
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn 3)
And this:
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (from Gal 5)
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (from Gal 5)
Trying to be justified by Law, whether for salvation or to try to maintain one's salvation means one alienates themselves from Christ.
Woe.
-JGIG
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I agree that once a person has a closed mind, especially on a religious matter, it is nearly impossible to debate them into changing their mind. I have a Mormon friend who for a long time I tried to convert him but it was a big waste of time. Had I spent my time with him by being a good witness and shown him The love of the Lord, perhaps he would of been saved.
Christians are not lawless as it has been said. Christians are under the law, just not the Mosaic law. So if one follows the Mosaic laws when Christ has set us free from them, that person would be in a state of disobedience or rebellion with God. Is there no consequence for following the Mosaic law? Yes there might be:
One who thinks they are justified by the law might be severed from God. This is the sternest warning in the bible. Just something to consider.