Attack of the seventh day adventists

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Josh321

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The Messiah said this :

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie."
i'm currently not working because there isn't any work in the country at the moment, i guess i'm breaking the commandment?
 

Josh321

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you know there is an OLD TESTAMENT and a NEW TESTAMENT for a reason... but i guess OLD is the new NEW?
 

Hizikyah

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i'm currently not working because there isn't any work in the country at the moment, i guess i'm breaking the commandment?
You mock the Commandment of Yahweh so easily.

Do you mock the other Commandment that easily as well?

Another commandment is you shall have no gods all all in the face of Yahweh, do you think this is to be mocked, done away, or ceremonial?

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

What is the only unforgiveable sin?
 

Josh321

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You mock the Commandment of Yahweh so easily.

Do you mock the other Commandment that easily as well?

Another commandment is you shall have no gods all all in the face of Yahweh, do you think this is to be mocked, done away, or ceremonial?

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

What is the only unforgiveable sin?
lol i'm mocking? i told you the truth i'm not working now because i can't find a job so am i breaking the commandment? what about the little children who receive christ at a young age lets say 15, they immediately need to work for 6 days a week and quit school? is that it? your making the 10 commandments your number 1 priority thus making it your God
 

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what about when we reach an old age and can't walk or we lose our legs, or we become sick and can't work, for 6 days... this is frustrating i give up, you still won't understand what i'm saying, i wish you the best gonna listen to someone who is actually reasonable, or do you have a plan that will still give you the strength to work 6 days for the rest of your entire life every single week without missing a day
 

Hizikyah

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lol i'm mocking? i told you the truth i'm not working now because i can't find a job so am i breaking the commandment? what about the little children who receive christ at a young age lets say 15, they immediately need to work for 6 days a week and quit school? is that it? your making the 10 commandments your number 1 priority thus making it your God
If you werent mocking I apoligize, if one cant find work then you cant do anything about that, but its not just paycheck workm its like mowing the lawn, laundry, etc

rEMEBER WHEN yAHSHUA SAID TH THE pHARISEES the tithed on cumin but ignored justice and mercy?

well the focus on Sabbath is the work of Yahweh, an entire day of nothing but his work, its a really beautiful thing, and Scriptually it is the mark of Yahweh.

just saying
 
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Josh, in your enthusiasm you are listening to God selectively. You must listen humbly to all God says, and do it with love in your heart for God and others.

You cannot love God and not love the law. What you say is right, the law alone without God is nothing, but in your enthusiasm for God within you, for God leading you, you are no giving enough space in your heart for the law itself that is of God. If you did, then rest one day a week would fit into your life and you would allow it in others. Sunday vs Saturday worship would be something you could simply discuss.
 

KohenMatt

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what exactly are you standing on matt, i really want to know what do you think in your mind that we must do. if you say your justified by the blood of Jesus, why do you attempt to keep the 10 commandments?

"Must do"? I mustn't do anything. Especially for Salvation.

But because we love God and worship Him and serve Him, I think we should walk in obedience to all of God's teachings and commandments, in spirit and in truth.


To try to be an imitator of God (Eph. 5:1).

1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God."

Phil 1:27
"Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ."

To show that my faith is real, and not dead. (James 2:14-16
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
 

KohenMatt

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what about when we reach an old age and can't walk or we lose our legs, or we become sick and can't work, for 6 days... this is frustrating i give up, you still won't understand what i'm saying, i wish you the best gonna listen to someone who is actually reasonable, or do you have a plan that will still give you the strength to work 6 days for the rest of your entire life every single week without missing a day
What is the point of the Sabbath Commandment? God is telling us we have to work? Or that God is telling us to rest?
 
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So according to sabbath keepers, even if I have faith in GOD and love my neighbor as myself (GOD's top 2 commandments against which is no law), I have to pay attention to what day it is in order to please GOD.

Do they not see how seriously ridiculous that is?
 
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What is the point of the Sabbath Commandment? God is telling us we have to work? Or that God is telling us to rest?
The point of the sabbath was to remind the children of Israel on a weekly basis that GOD was the one who sanctified them.

The fulfillment of the sabbath is to continually trust GOD to sanctify us.
 

KohenMatt

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So according to sabbath keepers, even if I have faith in GOD and love my neighbor as myself (GOD's top 2 commandments against which is no law), I have to pay attention to what day it is in order to please GOD.

Do they seriously not see how ridiculous that is?
Is God pleased with us when we decide to not do something He asked us to?
 

KohenMatt

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The point of the sabbath was to remind the children of Israel on a weekly basis that GOD was the one who sanctified them.

The fulfillment of the sabbath is to continually trust GOD to sanctify us.
Exactly. And continuing to honor the Sabbath is another way to continually remind us of that.
 
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danschance

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The Messiah said this :

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie."
And the bible also says:
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Col. 2:16
The verse above says very clearly we do not need to obey the mosaic laws any more. Christ fulfilled them! God's moral laws are still in effect and breaking them is a sin. The Mosaic laws are obsolete as we are under a new covenant, a better covenant.

Those who obey the Mosaic laws will not be covered by the blood of the Lamb. They will be severed from Christ and regret their stupidity in hell, forever.
 
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Is God pleased with us when we decide to not do something He asked us to?
Jesus commands you to believe in him and love your neighbor as yourself. Nowhere did it ever come out of his mouth while he walked this earth to observe days and times.

You carefully observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest perhaps I have labored for you in vain! Galatians 4:10-11

He never asked you to observe the sabbath. He commanded the children of Israel to observe it.
 

KohenMatt

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Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Col. 2:16
Is anyone in here guilty of judging those of who choose to eat or drink differently, or in regard to the festivals or sabbaths we keep?
 
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danschance

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Jesus commands you to believe in him and love your neighbor as yourself. Nowhere did it ever come out of his mouth while he walked this earth to observe days and times.
You carefully observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest perhaps I have labored for you in vain! Galatians 4:10-11

He never asked you to observe the sabbath. He commanded the children of Israel to observe it.
Exactly. God never onced once asked Gentiles to obey the Sabbath. It was given to the jews only. Those who obey the sabbath today, should obey the rest of the mosaic laws also, because they are severed from grace.
 
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danschance

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Is anyone in here guilty of judging those of who choose to eat or drink differently, or in regard to the festivals or sabbaths we keep?

So Col. 2:16 is just about judging? Put your glasses on and read the next verse:
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Notice how Paul says those things are a mere shadow. This proves they are obsolete.

Who do you serve? The ceremonial laws which are just shadows or Christ, who is the substance of those shadows?