"Avenge me! Avenge me!"

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stonesoffire

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Rev 19:21　 The rest were killed by the sword that belonged to the rider on the horse and that came from his mouth, and all the birds gorged themselves with their flesh.

You made me look Willie. I'm not yet into end time teachings.

The sword from His mouth. I did a little study on this a few years back. In the greek it is the saber sword...which is the anointed Word that cuts to the heart. Cuts off the head or the spirit that is behind whatever problem the enemy is bringing...cuts the power of it off. Beheaded.

The knife is the written Word, similar to a dagger.

I'm all for this saber sword to cut down the enemy. 　
 
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You might enjoy this video of a good friend of mine. Speaking to a Lutheran congregation, he claims Lutheranism.... but he is not. Mike is a Mennonite, and he is very much nonviolent.

[video=youtube;Rghym9z8aV8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rghym9z8aV8[/video]
 
JIMBO43

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Lol is he a pleasant chappie with a pleasant manner ?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Rev 19:21　 The rest were killed by the sword that belonged to the rider on the horse and that came from his mouth, and all the birds gorged themselves with their flesh.

You made me look Willie. I'm not yet into end time teachings.

The sword from His mouth. I did a little study on this a few years back. In the greek it is the saber sword...which is the anointed Word that cuts to the heart. Cuts off the head or the spirit that is behind whatever problem the enemy is bringing...cuts the power of it off. Beheaded.

The knife is the written Word, similar to a dagger.

I'm all for this saber sword to cut down the enemy. 　
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I think you interpreted it very clearly. But, unfortunately that is NOT how many, many, Christians want it to be. So it is NOT how they will insist upon seeing any of that when they read it.
 
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Willie-T said:
Actually, he's a Pussy Cat. But, he minces no words telling how he feels it was (and is).
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to me he was not a preacher i wouldnt like to listen to everyday.. but then we do have our bouts of the sword lol
 
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JIMBO43 said:
to me he was not a preacher i wouldnt like to listen to everyday.. but then we do have our bouts of the sword lol
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Mike and I agree on much.... but we fight like dogs and cats on many things, too.
 
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Willie-T said:
Mike and I agree on much.... but we fight like dogs and cats on many things, too.
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Lol is that when he gets his tail in a twist i was only joking im sure he has some verry enlightening vids that wheve never seen its just ive had enough of death lectures to last me a whole lifetime lately lol
 
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be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
(Ephesians 6:10-12)​
 
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Talk about revenge, what about this little tale. Lol

2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
[23] Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road,
some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up,
you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" [24] So he turned around and looked
at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two
female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.


Morale of the story, learn to like bald men! :p
 
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trofimus said:
Never. The New Testament rules are different from the OT ones.
The kingdom of God is spiritual now, not physical like in the times of Israel.

"Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse."
Romans 12:14
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So, God didn't get it right the first time and let's ignore the OT? Not buying that one. All of the Bible is God's words, not merely the NT.
 
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It usually keeps happening right up to the moment we discover Jesus.
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Then David never discovered Jehovah? Then how did David's words get in the Bible?
 
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posthuman said:
Is it men now who persecute us, or is it the god of the age, and spiritual evils?

If we are to be the judges of angels, shall we aquit them all?
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Honestly? Being an American the worst "persecution" I've ever had is to be laughed at for trusting God. It reminds me of what happened with my second grade teacher.

I forgot some of my homework, and when she found out she gave me that Teacher's-not-happy-you-didn't-do-your-homework-Missy look. A Eureka moment to be sure. I figured, "If that's the worse thing that happens, I'm fine with that."

Likewise, I'm fine with people laughing at me.

I've never been persecuted enough to think in terms like David did.

(And I didn't do homework until Teacher told Mom and then Mom made me. lol)
 
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So, God didn't get it right the first time and let's ignore the OT? Not buying that one. All of the Bible is God's words, not merely the NT.
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The Old Testament was till Christ. Thats why Christians called it the Old Testament.

We do not have to ignore it, we just need to know this fact when reading it...
 
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Even if we don't consider the OT, it has always blown my mind that most Christians actually believe that the Christ they claim to follow tells them to love their enemies.... Yet they are almost foaming at the mouth to get to "ride horses across this land" with Him, as a huge army, slaughtering those very same people with long, gleaming swords.
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So far, you've given "it doesn't happen after being saved" and "I'm not as bad as some people." :confused:

Neither answer answered my questions. What do YOU think about this? It's God's word, thus not merely a bad moment for David. It made the cut. It is God's inspired word. What do YOU think it means? When is it time to go all avengy? To YOU... according to God? What is this Psalm telling US -- God's peeps?
 
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stonesoffire said:
I thought the ride with Him was when He comes to rule the world. Not to slaughter.

Off topic I know.

It's best to confront those who hurt us. Just like you did Lynn. Thank you.
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That would work, if the people who hurt us weren't merely giving us lip, going all huffy, or even smashing our car to 3 inches tall with a steamroller. That's not what David's enemies were doing to him. Saul was trying to kill him. Saul, the man he served, the king he loved. Absalom was his much loved son, and yet Absalom was out to kill his father. Can't say the Palestinians were happy with him either. David went to war often, and those enemies were after his head on a stick. He started some of those wars, so I'm thinking it was past talking stage. Sometimes it's not a good idea to try and resolve stuff with people who hurt us.
 
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When did he write this, could it of been in the time between Bathsheba and Nathan the prophet, from what I've come up with is it was about a year and a half between those two times. Maybe he wrote it in that period of time, when his walk wasn't so great. Then again he did a lot of things that God said don't do, like number the people, he didn't hamstring the horses either. David was quite the character. But his heart was after God's, because his flesh wasn't.
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Does it matter? It made the grade. It is Bible so is counted as God's words. Do we count what Paul says a little bit less because he was clearly annoyed with the Corinthians? It's still the Bible, so still God's word.

I really do discount some of the words in the Bible as God's words. Job's friends. Clearly an example of what NOT to believe over what to believe. lol

But this isn't that. We'll not know when David wrote the different Psalms. I suspect he wrote more, but only some of them made the grade. This is one.
 
JIMBO43

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If Jesus avenges me im happy at least hes not ignoring me :p
 
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the imprecatory Psalms are difficult. but if you notice, in each one God is being asked to, er, avenge Himself.

see in v. 21 where David asks God to deal in his behalf for the sake of God's Name?
(and all that goes with it? His glory, His righteousness, etc.)

though the thoughts expressed do tend to make is cringe, this is the word of God.
we can't sweep it under the rug, or as you say, Lynn, dismiss it as "that was then" kinda stuff...

as for when in David's life it was written, see he says 'in return for my love they accuse me'...

what these Psalms express is the desire to see God's justice upheld. of course what we want for the wicked first and foremost is repentance (just as we ourselves received mercy from God).
yet we must also agree with God that His wrath on the wicked is just. God has promised blessing and curses.

we're not asking the Lord to avenge us; we're asking Him to do justice in this evil world.
think about something like the abortion industry... we pray for those involved, but do we want the 'world system' judged?

it's hard, but we should if we're thinking God's thoughts after Him.
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Light bulb just went on. :eek:

Ohhhhhh, that makes sense. I think I kept going on reading the verses and verses of "not only wipe him out, wipe his wife and kids off the face of the map" that my heart just kept sinking lower and lower, thinking, "If even David, then how can I do this?"

I get that same "nuke 'em all" sense with ISIS. What they do to people is so bad, it does feel like "Just wipe them off the face of the earth, God." And, yeah, I also get that sense with abortionists. Why aren't they executed as mass murderers? I've just been stuck somewhere between "give them mercy too, Lord" and "nuke 'em all."

Thanks.

And imprecatory? Good word! (Up there with physiatrist --can't pronounce it, so can never use it in a sentence, but good word. lol)
 
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