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Guojing

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eternally-gratefull said:
Because he is talking about the time of great tribulation, not tribulations we suffer in this lifetime,

he is speaking courage to those who are suffering, that if they just endure, he will be coming soon.

I agile being alive and seeing your redeemer return and defeat evil, and entering the true kingdom with him, as he sets up his throne,

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In Matthew 10:28, Jesus stated And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Given this teaching, why do you think he would be talking about salvation in terms of physical life during the Tribulation?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

james does not contradict paul, he compliments him

paul spoke to workers, ,people who thought they needed to earn salvation or maintain salvation, he said plainly, we were saved by Gods mercy not by good works which we have done, through the washing and new birth of thenspirit

James, talking to hearers and not doers, asked the question, can their CLAIMED faith save them?

well of course not, Paul said we are saved by grace through faith not works, but our new creation is for good works,

if we claim to have faith, but are hearers only, can our faith save us? Well of course not. Our faith is dead,

he was talking to induvidual people. So they can examine themselves if they have faith not to fruit inspectors, so we can look at others to judge if they are saved or not

the self righteous church has destroyed the meaning of James to add works to the gospel of Christ
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God laws is not works it is OUR DUTY,
ECC 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
ECC 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
The Commandments can't Save US BUT they show us what makes us DIRTY and what sin is, And show us why we have the death sentence, Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
YESUAH CAME to wash us from the filth and sins that we have broken, to clean us, not so we could get right back in the filth and sin, that would be just a waste of HIS time,
For us not to repent, and just jump right back in the Filth, That is what HIS commandments and HIS WORD is for, SO we can stay clean and out of the filth and sin, But he tells us that, if we do sin, we have A advocate, We can GO back and get clean again,
We would not need A advocate, If we didn't haft to endure and not sin, bud GOD knew that a lot of HIS saints would be overcome by Satan and self, and would sin again, like me, So he give us A ADVOCATE, So I could repent again, and ask my ADVOCATE to clean me again, ADVOCATE means, one who pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court.
SO we GO to HIM in PRAYER, TO get clean AGAIN,


BECAUSE WE are
 
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bud62 said:
God laws is not works it is OUR DUTY,
ECC 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
ECC 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
The Commandments can't Save US BUT they show us what makes us DIRTY and what sin is, And show us why we have the death sentence, Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
YESUAH CAME to wash us from the filth and sins that we have broken, to clean us, not so we could get right back in the filth and sin, that would be just a waste of HIS time,
For us not to repent, and just jump right back in the Filth, That is what HIS commandments and HIS WORD is for, SO we can stay clean and out of the filth and sin, But he tells us that, if we do sin, we have A advocate, We can GO back and get clean again,
We would not need A advocate, If we didn't haft to endure and not sin, bud GOD knew that a lot of HIS saints would be overcome by Satan and self, and would sin again, like me, So he give us A ADVOCATE, So I could repent again, and ask my ADVOCATE to clean me again, ADVOCATE means, one who pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court.
SO we GO to HIM in PRAYER, TO get clean AGAIN,


BECAUSE WE are
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Scripture states that that the believer is in Christ. We are part of His body. We have His righteousness. We will always have His righteousness. That is the only way unto salvation. Our works are as filthy rags. The law was nailed to the cross. It is no longer against us who are in Christ. Rightly dividing the word of truth will allow the bible student to understand the division between the body of Christ and Jew under the law.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Because he is talking about the time of great tribulation, not tribulations we suffer in this lifetime,

he is speaking courage to those who are suffering, that if they just endure, he will be coming soon.

I agile being alive and seeing your redeemer return and defeat evil, and entering the true kingdom with him, as he sets up his throne,

wow
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There is A crown, But it is the CROWN OF LIFE, that those that endure, until the end, that shows that they receive life Eternal
 
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bud62 said:
There is A crown, But it is the CROWN OF LIFE, that those that endure, until the end, that shows that they receive life Eternal
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Wrong belief produced by a corrupted gospel. Eph 2:8-9 teach that salvation and eternal life are a gift of God by grace not by endurance or any other work of man. Man is required to cease from believing in himself and believe into Christ Who alone can save.

A works based salvation is an odious doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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John146 said:
Scripture states that that the believer is in Christ. We are part of His body. We have His righteousness. We will always have His righteousness. That is the only way unto salvation. Our works are as filthy rags. The law was nailed to the cross. It is no longer against us who are in Christ. Rightly dividing the word of truth will allow the bible student to understand the division between the body of Christ and Jew under the law.
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You can call HIS COMMANDMENTS filthy rags if you want, THAT YESUAH wrote with HIS own finger,
The COMANDMENTS are HIS works, NOT MINE,
The Filthy rags is the good that we do, within our self,
PSA 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.

REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [ THIS is A requirement FOR GOD'S Church
REVELATION 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
REVELATION 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. And here he tells us why HIS church is keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS,
You are definitely looking at the wrong Works, the commandments is GOD character, or what GOD is like, VERY VERY GOOD
 
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notuptome said:
Wrong belief produced by a corrupted gospel. Eph 2:8-9 teach that salvation and eternal life are a gift of God by grace not by endurance or any other work of man. Man is required to cease from believing in himself and believe into Christ Who alone can save.

A works based salvation is an odious doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE there sins and want their sins and salvation to, BUT they will not get both, IT is REPENT, and give them ALL UP, OR be lost AND destroyed in the lake of fire, repent or perish, you can not get it any more simple then that
 
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Guojing said:
In Matthew 10:28, Jesus stated And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Given this teaching, why do you think he would be talking about salvation in terms of physical life during the Tribulation?
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Matt 10 has nothing to do with Matt 24. Where Jesus is talking about the questions the disciples asked. He was answering their question. Eternal salvation was not part of their question
so why would you think it is talking about eternal salvation
 
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bud62 said:
ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE there sins and want their sins and salvation to, BUT they will not get both, IT is REPENT, and give them ALL UP, OR be lost AND destroyed in the lake of fire, repent or perish, you can not get it any more simple then that
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EZEKIEL 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
This is telling us if we turn from doing righteousness and sinning Again, THAT WE SHALL DIE, [THAT IS SIMPLE]

Ezekiel 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [ HIS COMMANDMENTS,HERE lawful and right, ] [Commandments AGAIN lawful and right]
 
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bud62 said:
EZEKIEL 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
This is telling us if we turn from doing righteousness and sinning Again, THAT WE SHALL DIE, [THAT IS SIMPLE]

Ezekiel 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [ HIS COMMANDMENTS,HERE lawful and right, ] [Commandments AGAIN lawful and right]
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There is 2 parts to A COVENANT, WHAT IS YOU PART ???????
GOD'S PART AND OURS, what's ours ???
 
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bud62 said:
You can call HIS COMMANDMENTS filthy rags if you want, THAT YESUAH wrote with HIS own finger,
The COMANDMENTS are HIS works, NOT MINE,
The Filthy rags is the good that we do, within our self,
PSA 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.

REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [ THIS is A requirement FOR GOD'S Church
REVELATION 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
REVELATION 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. And here he tells us why HIS church is keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS,
You are definitely looking at the wrong Works, the commandments is GOD character, or what GOD is like, VERY VERY GOOD
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@John146 didn’t say God’s Commandments are filthy rags and he never would insinuate it.
 
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bud62 said:
You can call HIS COMMANDMENTS filthy rags if you want, THAT YESUAH wrote with HIS own finger,
The COMANDMENTS are HIS works, NOT MINE,
The Filthy rags is the good that we do, within our self,
PSA 111:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.

REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [ THIS is A requirement FOR GOD'S Church
REVELATION 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
REVELATION 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. And here he tells us why HIS church is keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS,
You are definitely looking at the wrong Works, the commandments is GOD character, or what GOD is like, VERY VERY GOOD
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The Law is no longer against us. Jesus nailed it to the cross.
 
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then why did you send that when I was talking about HIS Blessed Commandments???
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Matt 10 has nothing to do with Matt 24. Where Jesus is talking about the questions the disciples asked. He was answering their question. Eternal salvation was not part of their question
so why would you think it is talking about eternal salvation
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Alright then, so it’s your belief that Jesus was talking about physical life there?

I can respect that.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
This is called worldly sorrow is it not?
When Christians sin , we are broken because we have sinned against our heavenly Father , as David said in Psalm 51:4
Against You, You only, have I sinned and done what is evil in Your sight, so that You may be proved right when You speak and blameless when You judge.
...xox...
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Yes David recognised his predicament. There was no sacrifices for those particular sins .
 
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John146 said:
The Law is no longer against us. Jesus nailed it to the cross.
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That is ONLY THE sacrificial LAWS , THE hand writings of MOSES, The laws that was added to help them from braking GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENT LAWS, TILL YESUAH CAME, THEN THE sacrificial laws was done away with, BUT certainly NOT HIS TEN COMMANDMENT LAWS, They are the ones that YESUAH writes on OUR HEARTS, And our part of the COVENANT, TO GOD,
 
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bud62 said:
God laws is not works it is OUR DUTY,
ECC 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
ECC 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
The Commandments can't Save US BUT they show us what makes us DIRTY and what sin is, And show us why we have the death sentence, Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
YESUAH CAME to wash us from the filth and sins that we have broken, to clean us, not so we could get right back in the filth and sin, that would be just a waste of HIS time,
For us not to repent, and just jump right back in the Filth, That is what HIS commandments and HIS WORD is for, SO we can stay clean and out of the filth and sin, But he tells us that, if we do sin, we have A advocate, We can GO back and get clean again,
We would not need A advocate, If we didn't haft to endure and not sin, bud GOD knew that a lot of HIS saints would be overcome by Satan and self, and would sin again, like me, So he give us A ADVOCATE, So I could repent again, and ask my ADVOCATE to clean me again, ADVOCATE means, one who pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court.
SO we GO to HIM in PRAYER, TO get clean AGAIN,


BECAUSE WE are
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Your duty is to confirm and obey EVERY WORD. Failure to do so. You are cursed
the curse of the law is death

Good luck satisfying Gods requirement of being a true law keeper
 
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bud62 said:
There is A crown, But it is the CROWN OF LIFE, that those that endure, until the end, that shows that they receive life Eternal
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Not in context
Matt 24 is speaking about the end of this age and the tine If his return not how a person recieves eternal life
 
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