Backsliding into God's Grace

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BenFTW

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Backsliding is the idea of turning away from God's will and setting forth on one's own path. This is dangerous and not a good place to be in because it compromises on your satisfaction in life and God's plan for your life. One might contrast it to Jonah and rebelling against the Lord's leading. I always find his story humorous to say to the others on the ship, "If you want to live you better toss me overboard." The concept of backsliding, however, comes with it a question on eternal security. This could easily turn into a O.S.A.S thread but I rather just make a point.

In defining backsliding we cannot put it in such a way as to make what Christ did at the cross in vain. If we define it as to say we have lost salvation in this "state" then we say that His grace is insufficient. If we say this, all is lost. VVe have no hope. One might argue we still have a hope because we can still repent of our backsliding into His grace. This is one angle that could be taken, but the issue here is that we are tossed to and fro in our assurance, for if in one moment we are sinning and on another day we feel righteous our emotions will be a roller coaster. Saved and then not, to not and then saved. This is absurd and places doubt in what otherwise might be a faith assured. A confidence before the Lord, found in Christ.

Is someone ever so backslid that their salvation is lost? Or does such backsliding only confirm their lack of regeneration? How are we to biblically define backsliding? The only instance I am aware of someone falling from grace is a person placing themselves back under the law to be justified before God. Not having faith in Jesus Christ, but the shadows of the things to come.

So in our defining of backsliding, how do we define it in such a way that it is not contrary to His grace? Rather, how do we define such backsliding in a way that doesn't compromise what Jesus accomplished at the cross with His shed blood? Could it be argued that those that are backsliding are rather ignorant of the victory found in Christ instead of condemned? Do they need revelation instead of condemnation? To be awakened to who they are in Christ, instead of accused to be outside of Him?

It seems backsliding comes with it a lot of Legalism and false doctrines of unifying sanctification and justification as one. So then, what is the solution? How should we define backsliding and also too, how do we overcome backsliding? Maybe the solution is found in revelation. VVho are you in Jesus Christ? Such a question awakens the backsliding person into identity and they realize they are not acting in accordance with who they now are in Jesus. This is where victory is found, instead of condemnation.
 
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coby

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It totally depends. I think that can happen. I saw a guy who is now an atheist. He had been taught doom and gloom and a lot of legalism. When they told him 9/11 was God's will it was enough.

In my case I was only taught grace and once saved always saved. If there had been one old fashioned fire and brimstone preacher who would have said: if you start a relationship with this guy it is adultery and you go to hell, I would never have backslid and still be married. I asked preachers for help. There was noone. People who visited me: blablabla poor thing grace grace grace, false grace. Absolutely noone warned me that it was sin and I could go to hell for it.
 
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BeyondET

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I agree backsliding back n forth can increase the mind in thinking of sins a lot, the backsliding needs a mind set with a steady stern. Though I could be wrong I think Paul in scriptures backslid struggled him self with things.
 
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GOD's grace is what allows a backslider to return to him. But that return requires repentance of wrongdoing, not backsliding into GOD's grace.

The title of this thread reminds me of another 'grace' teacher who said that when we stumble, we stumble towards Christ. Can't remember which one it was. This kind of stuff makes for some great comedy.
 
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VVho are you in Jesus Christ? Such a question awakens the backsliding person into identity and they realize they are not acting in accordance with who they now are in Jesus. This is where victory is found, instead of condemnation.
Hi Ben - I much like your comments and observations, they seem consistent with "eternal security" and that's where I am also, if that's within your comment.

There are many who stray away from God but if they are His they never stay away, but are eventually drawn back and "restored," just as Israel will eventually be. If they leave and never return it evinces a natural life instead of a regenerated life, for in everyone single one who is reborn, "God works within to both desire and do His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13).

I believe God can be resisted (Acts 7:51) before accepting Him, but not after, due to the above passage!

God''s blessings to you!
Bob
 
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The title of this thread reminds me of another 'grace' teacher who said that when we stumble, we stumble towards Christ.
Hi HRFTD - Really appreciate you mentioning this, I can't remember either where I heard it but it is a great truism I forgot about! As we should know, God has already seen and prepared everything to result for the good of those who are His (Rom 8:28), which means all we do will always be a step to Him in understanding more of His grace and love to us.

God bless!
 
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Chuckt

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Ben,

The term "backslide" is not a Biblical word.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

I presume that many people who keep the law still sin more than once a day and the reason is that we're born with original sin and sinners can't do much better than the prototype unless this corruption puts on incorruption at the resurrection (in reference to 1 Corinthians 15:42).

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

If we / they sin, God is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him.

Chuck
 
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Chuckt

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Is someone ever so backslid that their salvation is lost? Or does such backsliding only confirm their lack of regeneration? How are we to biblically define backsliding? The only instance I am aware of someone falling from grace is a person placing themselves back under the law to be justified before God. Not having faith in Jesus Christ, but the shadows of the things to come.
What did Paul say?

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
 
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1Cor. 15:2

If we hold it fast
ei katechete[. Condition of first class considered as being fulfilled. Paul assumes that they are holding it fast

Except ye believed in vain ektos ei mē eikēi episteusate For ektos ei mē see note on [SUP]§[/SUP]1 Cor. 14:5. Condition of first class considered as being fulfilled , unless in fact ye did believe to no purpose

Vincent Word Pictures in the New Testament.
 

BenFTW

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GOD's grace is what allows a backslider to return to him. But that return requires repentance of wrongdoing, not backsliding into GOD's grace.

The title of this thread reminds me of another 'grace' teacher who said that when we stumble, we stumble towards Christ. Can't remember which one it was. This kind of stuff makes for some great comedy.
Yeah I sat looking at the title for a second before posting and considered altering it a bit. It sounds like an endorsement to sin to fall into His grace, but that isn't what I am presenting. haha It was an attempt at saying "His grace is sufficient."

That is the truth that our sins are washed in the blood of Christ and we are reconciled to God. The concept of backsliding seems to say that there is distance between God and us, but that isn't the case. In Christ we are reconciled to God and He will never leave us nor forsake us. The distance is only in the mind of a person racked with guilt and condemnation not knowing of God's plan of reconciliation not tampered by religious legalism.
 
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Chuckt

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Yeah I sat looking at the title for a second before posting and considered altering it a bit. It sounds like an endorsement to sin to fall into His grace, but that isn't what I am presenting. haha It was an attempt at saying "His grace is sufficient."

That is the truth that our sins are washed in the blood of Christ and we are reconciled to God. The concept of backsliding seems to say that there is distance between God and us, but that isn't the case. In Christ we are reconciled to God and He will never leave us nor forsake us. The distance is only in the mind of a person racked with guilt and condemnation not knowing of God's plan of reconciliation not tampered by religious legalism.
I teach positional and relational forgiveness:

Do Christians have to keep asking for forgiveness for their sins?
 

BenFTW

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Hi HRFTD - Really appreciate you mentioning this, I can't remember either where I heard it but it is a great truism I forgot about! As we should know, God has already seen and prepared everything to result for the good of those who are His (Rom 8:28), which means all we do will always be a step to Him in understanding more of His grace and love to us.

God bless!
That was a true Biblical example of taking what was meant for evil, and turning it to the glory of God. Thank you for being so willing to let God use you.
 
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Gr8grace

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Hi HRFTD - Really appreciate you mentioning this, I can't remember either where I heard it but it is a great truism I forgot about! As we should know, God has already seen and prepared everything to result for the good of those who are His (Rom 8:28), which means all we do will always be a step to Him in understanding more of His grace and love to us.

God bless!
That is a faulty understanding of Romans 8:28. All things work together for good for those who LOVE God. Not all believers love God. They are off doing their religion,working for their salvation, getting dunked in water(for salvation or as a part of their salvation), trying to walk like Jesus from their flesh, have not studied the mind of Christ since their salvation.

Just like salvation, He desires all to come to maturity...................Not all will. Because we have a freewill after salvation to glorify Him. Who glorifies God when God FORCES us to glorify Him after our salvation? Nobody.

We can grieve and quench the Spirit after salvation. Which tells us that God Does not force us nor is it GOING to happen.

He saves us the moment we believe, and that is dependent upon Him and Him alone. We have the privilege and opportunity, from our own volition to Glorify Him or Not...............He saves us no matter what if we have made a non-meritorious choice for Christ.

God has seen and prepared good works for the believer..................very few choose to follow them. But they are saved none the less if they have trusted in Christ alone in a moment in time.
 
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BeyondET

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Yeah I sat looking at the title for a second before posting and considered altering it a bit. It sounds like an endorsement to sin to fall into His grace, but that isn't what I am presenting. haha It was an attempt at saying "His grace is sufficient."

That is the truth that our sins are washed in the blood of Christ and we are reconciled to God. The concept of backsliding seems to say that there is distance between God and us, but that isn't the case. In Christ we are reconciled to God and He will never leave us nor forsake us. The distance is only in the mind of a person racked with guilt and condemnation not knowing of God's plan of reconciliation not tampered by religious legalism.
Make sense religious legalism I think somewhere in the bible Jesus compares the Pharisees to concealed tombs

 
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The concept of backsliding seems to say that there is distance between God and us, but that isn't the case. In Christ we are reconciled to God and He will never leave us nor forsake us. The distance is only in the mind of a person racked with guilt and condemnation not knowing of God's plan of reconciliation not tampered by religious legalism.
Good stuff Brother! One can be in union with God (which is eternal) and has not yet learned maturity for fellowship also. Union and fellowship are not synonymous but always end up eternal companions in those reborn.

Regardless of how one might define backsliding, to me it is scripturally used in a permanently unsaved state due to never having trusted God. Nobody can truthfully claim faith in God and eventually evince no faith in Him (oxymoron, self-contradictoring).

Same as an "apostate" (word not in Scripture but yet often exemplified) who to me is one who never truly believed in God thus never reborn, but rather just appeared to be, just professing but not truly possessing (Mat 15:8; Mar 7:6; Jam 2:18--"a man may say").
 
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Not all believers love God. They are off doing their religion,working for their salvation, getting dunked in water(for salvation or as a part of their salvation), trying to walk like Jesus from their flesh, have not studied the mind of Christ since their salvation.
Hi GG - Immaturity in Christ can be mistaken for one who may never has been reborn. I believe two truths are of a certainty.
All who are born-again will eventually mature in Christ (Phil 2:13; Gal 5:17) and those not born-again will eventually reveal it.