Baptism and holy spirit
- Thread starter soberxp
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
That's absolutely not true.
The manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit have nothing to do with the coming kingdom of God (which we are NOT in yet, unless you're an amillennialist or a preterist.)
Please read 1 Cor 14:5, 13-15, 27-28.
The manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit have nothing to do with the coming kingdom of God (which we are NOT in yet, unless you're an amillennialist or a preterist.)
Please read 1 Cor 14:5, 13-15, 27-28.
The kingdom of God is a building whose chief corner stone is Jesus Christ/ the foundations made of the apostles and disciples/ the pillars and walls are being built since 2000 years ago as believers are being added one by one until their determined number is achieved, then the end of age will come.
You know you are deluded if John the baptist said ".. repent for the kingdom of God is at hand..." and you are of the opinion that the kingdom of God is not yet 2000 years later.
R
What happens today is 100% counterfeiting
If you knew my wife's personality you'd know she would not and could not fake speaking in tongues. When I first heard it I was shocked because I knew it was not her doing. By the way it sounded I knew she could not fake that.
Stammering lips is a very good description of personal tongues. It had no resemblance whatsoever to a human language.
R
And while we're at it....
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
The gifts of the holy spirit is for the edification of the church 1 Cor 14.
The church is also called the body of Christ
aka the kingdom of God aka the kingdom of heaven.
The kingdom of God is a building whose chief corner stone is Jesus Christ/ the foundations made of the apostles and disciples/ the pillars and walls are being built since 2000 years ago as believers are being added one by one until their determined number is achieved, then the end of age will come.
You know you are deluded if John the baptist said ".. repent for the kingdom of God is at hand..." and you are of the opinion that the kingdom of God is not yet 2000 years later.
You know you are deluded if John the baptist said ".. repent for the kingdom of God is at hand..." and you are of the opinion that the kingdom of God is not yet 2000 years later.
I hold to a dispensational view. If you don't, we will not agree on much.
The gifts of the holy spirit is for the edification of the church
So it is similar to him saying to eat at home first so that others won't go hungry. Edify yourself at home first, speaking in tongues, but don't insist on edifying and gratifying and feeding yourself in the gathering, making others go hungry!
R
Okay...so, to the best of my knowledge, God has not given me revelation to speak in various tongues.
Does a father give his kid a snake if they ask for a fish? Does he give his kid a scorpion if they ask for an egg? No, of course not. So how much more, then, does the Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask:
9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10“For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”-Luke 11:9-13
And while we're at it....
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
I surely don't want to put God in a box, but it kinda contradicts 1 Cor 14:23.
Simply not true.
If you knew my wife's personality you'd know she would not and could not fake speaking in tongues. When I first heard it I was shocked because I knew it was not her doing. By the way it sounded I knew she could not fake that.
Stammering lips is a very good description of personal tongues. It had no resemblance whatsoever to a human language.
If you knew my wife's personality you'd know she would not and could not fake speaking in tongues. When I first heard it I was shocked because I knew it was not her doing. By the way it sounded I knew she could not fake that.
Stammering lips is a very good description of personal tongues. It had no resemblance whatsoever to a human language.
If the speaker doesn't understand and the hearers don't have a clue what is being said, of what use is it?
There's no 'simpler' gift, yet speaking in tongues has flourished while other gifts have died- there's no more raising of dead/no more healing/ no more miracles- only fake ones yet speaking in tongues is the only gift that flourishes (with no gift interpretation of spoken tongues). This is like saying the Holy spirited is unfair (God forbid) because He distributes the gifts in equal/measured proportions
R
And that is precisely why paul said if there was no one present to interpret (by either the gift of interpretation of various tongues, or by someone present who actually spoke that tongue), then you were to remain silent in the gathering. Because you certainly aren't building anyone up if no one can understand a word you're saying.
So it is similar to him saying to eat at home first so that others won't go hungry. Edify yourself at home first, speaking in tongues, but don't insist on edifying and gratifying and feeding yourself in the gathering, making others go hungry!
So it is similar to him saying to eat at home first so that others won't go hungry. Edify yourself at home first, speaking in tongues, but don't insist on edifying and gratifying and feeding yourself in the gathering, making others go hungry!
And while we're at it....
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
I have seen the Holy Spirit descending onto a body of believers. It took me years to make the connection with Acts 2 but it looked like shimmering waves of heat coming down from the ceiling. And the instant it hit the heads of the congregation they all exploded in their personal prayer language on cue. Yet they all had their eyes closed in worship.
I think God gave me this special experience so I wouldn't bash tongue speaking because I was incredulous at the time about it.
The Holy spirit is the MIND OF GOD. How did you see the mind of God descend?
And that is precisely why paul said if there was no one present to interpret (by either the gift of interpretation of various tongues, or by someone present who actually spoke that tongue), then you were to remain silent in the gathering. Because you certainly aren't building anyone up if no one can understand a word you're saying.
But other that that, you're right. Speaking in tongues is useless in the church unless it's interpreted, so the church can understand and be edified.
So it is similar to him saying to eat at home first so that others won't go hungry. Edify yourself at home first, speaking in tongues, but don't insist on edifying and gratifying and feeding yourself in the gathering, making others go hungry!
If you knew my personality you'd know i wouldn't fake it. It was so true even to me it duped me into believing that i was visited by God.
If the speaker doesn't understand and the hearers don't have a clue what is being said, of what use is it?
There's no 'simpler' gift, yet speaking in tongues has flourished while other gifts have died- there's no more raising of dead/no more healing/ no more miracles- only fake ones yet speaking in tongues is the only gift that flourishes (with no gift interpretation of spoken tongues). This is like saying the Holy spirited is unfair (God forbid) because He distributes the gifts in equal/measured proportions
If the speaker doesn't understand and the hearers don't have a clue what is being said, of what use is it?
There's no 'simpler' gift, yet speaking in tongues has flourished while other gifts have died- there's no more raising of dead/no more healing/ no more miracles- only fake ones yet speaking in tongues is the only gift that flourishes (with no gift interpretation of spoken tongues). This is like saying the Holy spirited is unfair (God forbid) because He distributes the gifts in equal/measured proportions
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
11 I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have,