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“ALL the water on this earth could NEVER wash away a single sin.”
would that change if God said to get baptized and he would remit your sins ? You guys argue strangely no one has said “ water has power to wash sins away “ It’s being said that “ God has ordained baptism for remission of sins “
if God says “get baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name because you believe Jesus died for your sins and I will remit your sins “ then that’s what will remit sins it has nothing to do with water having power , it has to do with what God said , having power to do what he said it will do.
it’s the same word as this
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:3 KJV
baptism is based on what God said just like that or better it’s like this
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
Moses hand had no power to do that what God said and Moses hearing and believing and doing it had the power it was faith that created the darkness God said it Moses believed it and obeyed and Gods power created what he said.
baptism is the same God set up and ordained baptism himself John didn’t create it he was sent by God to baptize. Gid has said clearly “ believe the gospel and get baptized for remission of sins and you’ll be saved “
to make the argument about water not having special Powers to remit sin is just avoiding the real discussion. God almighty designed baptism for remission of sins it’s foolish of we reject something so plain and simple and made by God for remission of sins
baptisms relevance is that it’s Gods design. It’s God telling us “ believe in Jesus and get baptized in his name for remission of sins and be saved forever “
the only question for a believer is will they believe and act in faith and receive what God promised like Moses did ? Or will we criticize and haggle over a gods design for us to get baptized in water for remission of sins ?
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44-48 KJV
It doesn’t seem like anyone ever had any issue with this subject in the Bible , more like they received it as good news that the mercy and remission of sin God promised in the ot had finally come
baptized in water for remission of sins God said ? And they just obeyed and received his promise
this is a strange debate if baptism has become an in necassary work heaven help us when we realize we’re supposed to obey the gospel
would that change if God said to get baptized and he would remit your sins ? You guys argue strangely no one has said “ water has power to wash sins away “ It’s being said that “ God has ordained baptism for remission of sins “
if God says “get baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name because you believe Jesus died for your sins and I will remit your sins “ then that’s what will remit sins it has nothing to do with water having power , it has to do with what God said , having power to do what he said it will do.
it’s the same word as this
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:3 KJV
baptism is based on what God said just like that or better it’s like this
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
Moses hand had no power to do that what God said and Moses hearing and believing and doing it had the power it was faith that created the darkness God said it Moses believed it and obeyed and Gods power created what he said.
baptism is the same God set up and ordained baptism himself John didn’t create it he was sent by God to baptize. Gid has said clearly “ believe the gospel and get baptized for remission of sins and you’ll be saved “
to make the argument about water not having special Powers to remit sin is just avoiding the real discussion. God almighty designed baptism for remission of sins it’s foolish of we reject something so plain and simple and made by God for remission of sins
baptisms relevance is that it’s Gods design. It’s God telling us “ believe in Jesus and get baptized in his name for remission of sins and be saved forever “
the only question for a believer is will they believe and act in faith and receive what God promised like Moses did ? Or will we criticize and haggle over a gods design for us to get baptized in water for remission of sins ?
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44-48 KJV
It doesn’t seem like anyone ever had any issue with this subject in the Bible , more like they received it as good news that the mercy and remission of sin God promised in the ot had finally come
baptized in water for remission of sins God said ? And they just obeyed and received his promise
this is a strange debate if baptism has become an in necassary work heaven help us when we realize we’re supposed to obey the gospel
haha nice try sister you totally misused that quote as if I’m calling you a scripture denier was that intentional ?
“same kind of accusations anyone who thinks they know something and someone doesn’t agree we start saying “ you scriotire denier “ or you heretic “
Just the actual context to be clear for anyone who might have taken what you did there with that misquote as if I was insulting you …..
“same kind of accusations anyone who thinks they know something and someone doesn’t agree we start saying “ you scriotire denier “ or you heretic “
Just the actual context to be clear for anyone who might have taken what you did there with that misquote as if I was insulting you …..
No, that is simply another misunderstanding on your part out of which you wrongfully assume
and then falsely accuse me of something that was not anywhere close to my intention.
In fact I was simply showing you that people do get accused of denying Scripture.
Now when someone like Peldom actually dos deny Scripture, that is a different matter.
But they are two separate issues, really.
and then falsely accuse me of something that was not anywhere close to my intention.
In fact I was simply showing you that people do get accused of denying Scripture.
Now when someone like Peldom actually dos deny Scripture, that is a different matter.
But they are two separate issues, really.
“Where did I say I was insulted?”
your responses say ot loud and clear you stopped talking about baptism and started arguing and claiming people are making things up . I didn’t claim you said you were offended I’m just reading your responses and it’s obvious.
“That is a problem, when people make up things that simply are not true”
yeah I agree that’s a problem I haven’t made anything up about you though I’m just saying your responses obviously took a turn from the subject to arguing though
“And there is Peldom again, doing the very thing he accuses others of.”
I can’t be held responsible for what someone else does and says though I don’t fully agree with pedlom either he looks at baptism like a requirement or a rule to st of you don’t do that your lost , that’s not my view
“If you don't see it, you don't see it. Stick around. You may eventually. Or visit any thread where alcohol is the topic, and he has participated.”
sister I’m not supporting his responses I disagree with him sometimes also even about baptism. What’s going on between you and him I’m no part of that all I’m saying is baptism is a big subject in scripture with much relevance and importance , also again I’m not saying “ if someone believes the gospel but is unable to get baptized thier lost or anything like that
I’m only saying proper Christian doctrine is that baptism in water in Jesus name is for remission of sins according to scripture. It’s relevance is what is written down for us to learn . That’s all I’m getting at and I think I’m this thread at least you and I aren’t seeing eye to eye which is okey with me .
I don’t think less of you or anything because we don’t agree I actually love most of your posts get a lot from them appreciate your presence here a lot but sometimes brothers and sisters don’t agree completely at least not yet who knows tomorrow or next week
I’m sorry if I’ve offended you but I wasn’t intending to do that. was just discussing baptism in an online forum
your responses say ot loud and clear you stopped talking about baptism and started arguing and claiming people are making things up . I didn’t claim you said you were offended I’m just reading your responses and it’s obvious.
“That is a problem, when people make up things that simply are not true”
yeah I agree that’s a problem I haven’t made anything up about you though I’m just saying your responses obviously took a turn from the subject to arguing though
“And there is Peldom again, doing the very thing he accuses others of.”
I can’t be held responsible for what someone else does and says though I don’t fully agree with pedlom either he looks at baptism like a requirement or a rule to st of you don’t do that your lost , that’s not my view
“If you don't see it, you don't see it. Stick around. You may eventually. Or visit any thread where alcohol is the topic, and he has participated.”
sister I’m not supporting his responses I disagree with him sometimes also even about baptism. What’s going on between you and him I’m no part of that all I’m saying is baptism is a big subject in scripture with much relevance and importance , also again I’m not saying “ if someone believes the gospel but is unable to get baptized thier lost or anything like that
I’m only saying proper Christian doctrine is that baptism in water in Jesus name is for remission of sins according to scripture. It’s relevance is what is written down for us to learn . That’s all I’m getting at and I think I’m this thread at least you and I aren’t seeing eye to eye which is okey with me .
I don’t think less of you or anything because we don’t agree I actually love most of your posts get a lot from them appreciate your presence here a lot but sometimes brothers and sisters don’t agree completely at least not yet who knows tomorrow or next week
I’m sorry if I’ve offended you but I wasn’t intending to do that. was just discussing baptism in an online forum
brother your explanations don’t make much sense to me lately you spend slot of time trying to explain things That are already written plainly and come to different conclusions than what’s already there
ive already shown you this several times
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
that’s what baptism is for. Receiving the Holy Spirit doesn’t remit sins getting baptized because God said “ get baptized and I’ll remit your sins “ remits sins
you explainkng why that isn’t right or explainkng stuff that isn’t there isnt something I need to learn im simple
what’s baptism for ? Remission of sins in Jesus name
why get baptized ? Remission of sins in Jesus name
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
God said to get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins I don’t need it explained is the thing it’s simple and basic baptisms only meaning in all
Scripture is for remission of sins
ive already shown you this several times
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
that’s what baptism is for. Receiving the Holy Spirit doesn’t remit sins getting baptized because God said “ get baptized and I’ll remit your sins “ remits sins
you explainkng why that isn’t right or explainkng stuff that isn’t there isnt something I need to learn im simple
what’s baptism for ? Remission of sins in Jesus name
why get baptized ? Remission of sins in Jesus name
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
God said to get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins I don’t need it explained is the thing it’s simple and basic baptisms only meaning in all
Scripture is for remission of sins
Um, no. As someone I consider a dear brother in Christ, your misunderstandings and mischaracterizations disappoint me deeply, but I believe I know the difference between being offended and being disappointed. Only God knows the heart. When you make things up and wrongfully assume, it should be pointed out to you, since you are suffering under a number of misunderstandings which you believe to be facts but are not, and they lead you into not only error but bearing false witness.
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I AGREE with ALL Scripture = the Scriptures you Post do not say water baptism saves us = You see water = We SEE Blood.
LOOK at all your scriptures and show me JUST ONE that does not include the Death & Resurrection of CHRIST as the Antidote for sin.
i SEE both the water and the BLOOD = one is outward and ONLY ONE is INWARD where the sins are.
Fleshly water cannot wash away spiritual defilement = SIN that comes from the heart of man.
I AGREE with ALL Scripture = the Scriptures you Post do not say water baptism saves us = You see water = We SEE Blood.
LOOK at all your scriptures and show me JUST ONE that does not include the Death & Resurrection of CHRIST as the Antidote for sin.
i SEE both the water and the BLOOD = one is outward and ONLY ONE is INWARD where the sins are.
Fleshly water cannot wash away spiritual defilement = SIN that comes from the heart of man.
yeah no ones making any tho isnt up lol we were discussing something about baptism and you went to all this stuff about me lying about you I haven’t lied about you or made anything up
go back and read my replies to you when I said “ it seems like your offended “
that’s not me saying “ you said you are offended “ it’s a discussion I had said trying to express to you that “ it seems like in your responses your offended me it began when we disagreed about baptism “
that’s not me making things up about you it’s me discussing with you and yes it actually seems like you got offended but I could be wrong about that I’m not making up a fact just was telling you it seems to me like you got offended
but sister if you find any place I made something you about you I do apologize I don’t think that happened though . Maybe your projecting your argument with pedlom my way ?
I just entered this thread to discuss baptism and what the Bible says about it certainly Not to offend or hurt you in any way
let’s go back to baptism what is your view regarding baptism since I don’t seem to understand it
what’s baptism for why donchrirtians get baptized ?
go back and read my replies to you when I said “ it seems like your offended “
that’s not me saying “ you said you are offended “ it’s a discussion I had said trying to express to you that “ it seems like in your responses your offended me it began when we disagreed about baptism “
that’s not me making things up about you it’s me discussing with you and yes it actually seems like you got offended but I could be wrong about that I’m not making up a fact just was telling you it seems to me like you got offended
but sister if you find any place I made something you about you I do apologize I don’t think that happened though . Maybe your projecting your argument with pedlom my way ?
I just entered this thread to discuss baptism and what the Bible says about it certainly Not to offend or hurt you in any way
let’s go back to baptism what is your view regarding baptism since I don’t seem to understand it
what’s baptism for why donchrirtians get baptized ?
see like this
“When you make things up and wrongfully assume, it should be pointed out to you, since you are suffering under a number of misunderstandings which you believe to be facts but are not, and they lead you into not only error but bearing false witness.”
this is nonsense to me like a red herring because no one has made anything up about you lol my attempt was to discuss baptism with you. This is why I was saying you seem offended this language is coming from offense was my point
you would t say this if you were t offended yet I’m unclear about what was “made up about you “
I think rather I disagreed with you about baptism and maybe you took that as me somehow bearing false witness against you but I’m still unclear that I’ve made a single accusation against you actually I’m clear that I haven’t
“When you make things up and wrongfully assume, it should be pointed out to you, since you are suffering under a number of misunderstandings which you believe to be facts but are not, and they lead you into not only error but bearing false witness.”
this is nonsense to me like a red herring because no one has made anything up about you lol my attempt was to discuss baptism with you. This is why I was saying you seem offended this language is coming from offense was my point
you would t say this if you were t offended yet I’m unclear about what was “made up about you “
I think rather I disagreed with you about baptism and maybe you took that as me somehow bearing false witness against you but I’m still unclear that I’ve made a single accusation against you actually I’m clear that I haven’t
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13Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good? 14But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, 15but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.
18For Christ also sufferedb once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in whichc he went and proclaimedd to the spirits in prison, 20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
I think this is the answer I've been looking for
A simple matter of conscience... I like that!
18For Christ also sufferedb once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in whichc he went and proclaimedd to the spirits in prison, 20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
I think this is the answer I've been looking for
A simple matter of conscience... I like that!