Baptism should accompany confessions of faith

[Lamar]

If you mean baptised with the Holy Spirit, I agree.

Was Holy Spirit baptism the baptism Jesus was speaking about or was it water baptism?

is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who immerses you in water

Is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who taught you about Christ?

Baptize does not always mean water my friend.

Without a modifier, baptism most certainly is a liquid. This is basic grammar my friend.

if you trust your water baptism to save your. Your trusting in your own works of righteousness which you did. And not in the mercy of God.. who saves us through the washing and regeneration of the spirit. Not of your pastor. And not in water

Agreed but baptism is never implied in the Bible as a "work of righteousness".

Why would you suggest such a thing?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Was Holy Spirit baptism the baptism Jesus was speaking about or was it water baptism?

would jesus contradict himself? It can not be water, or he would contradict himself

Is your faith in Christ, or is your faith in the one who taught you about Christ?

its in Christ and his promise based on his death. Not in my pastor, or my works.

Without a modifier, baptism most certainly is a liquid. This is basic grammar my friend.

No. because the greek word from whence it was transliterated from does not have water as its base meaning.

Agreed but baptism is never implied in the Bible as a "work of righteousness".

A work of righteousness is a work or good deed.

hence by defenition. Water baptism is a work of righteousness. just like prayer, going to church, giving to the poor. Loving your neighbor etc etc.

Why would you suggest such a thing?

Why would I suggest that a good deed is a work of righteousness?

why would I suggest anything else. Why would you suggest it is not a work of righteousness?

 

[homwardbound]

aside from your rather disjointed reply... the whole household of Cornelius WAS baptized, at Peter's insistence, apparently, immediately. ...

Precisely, man's wants, man's desires of their first born flesh person. I guess you might not get it, I can do nothing to get be saved, God by Son the two as Won (One) did it once for us all to get along in this love and mercy given to us to appreciate and not judge others, let God do that, if your enemy is hungry Feed him, them?
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

aside from your rather disjointed reply... the whole household of Cornelius WAS baptized, at Peter's insistence, apparently, immediately. ... this was immediately after the Holy Spirit fell on them, in order to convince the Christian Jews of the fact that Gentiles were acceptable to God....

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ae]message. 45 All the [af]Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had also been poured out on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter responded, 47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Further more, if they had not gotten water Baptized, tell me would they have still been saved ed by God or is God not good on God's promises?
I have gone through the rituals and all the worries too, only to be under Law and not see the truth in the risen Son for Mme back then, until revealed to men by God Father in risen Son, amazing grace this is as those that preach you have to go and dod and continue to do this and or that are under Law(s) and are cursed being in worry, doubt and anger, that is not God, the God I now finally know after being under Law first, trying to do it right and can't
Gal 3:19-26 thanks love and mercy to us all, hoping the best for you too

 

[hornetguy]

No. because the greek word from whence it was transliterated from does not have water as its base meaning.

actually, it does. The same word also refers to making pickles.... immersing the cucumbers into a liquid. That's what baptizo means.... "to immerse".....

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

actually, it does. The same word also refers to making pickles.... immersing the cucumbers into a liquid. That's what baptizo means.... "to immerse".....

It is far deeper than that actually,

yes it means to immerse it also had other meanings in the greek. In the example you give, the pickles were placed into the liquid.. I think of the words of paul where it says they were baptized into moses.. They were placed into Moses who was the head of the nation of Israel at the time.

And again, it shows how romans 6 can not mean to baptise in water. Because that would give it almost a double meaning.

it says we were baptized (immersed) into his death. And we were baptized (immersed) Into Christ.


Now if we take the meaning it MUST mean baptized in water, the words do not make sense. It would need to be baptised do you not know we were baptized in water into christ.. well which one were we baptized into Water or Christ?

Same with his death,, is it water or literally his death.

and then the final thing we need to see.

Who can place us into christ or his death other than God himself. Can your pastor baptize you into Christ or his death? Well of course not.

 

[SomeDisciple]

But it would be a false testimony

I can not give a testimony of my faith in God and praise God for what he did for me, and how he changed my life. When he has not yet done it.

It's like you didn't even read what I posted.... I did say some people do give a lying testimony. But it's not limited to that, either.

Elon Musk was on a show talking with some Christian guys- they told him about some of the teachings of Jesus: they didn't go all "JESUS WAS GOD IN THE FLESH AND HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS SINNER! SO REPENT" it was just a normal conversation between dudes about Jesus. So Elon can still give a good and true testimony based on what he knows, understands, and believes about Jesus. Just because you can't testify with a full revelation doesn't mean you don't have any testimony at all.

 

[hornetguy]

But it wasn't the first thing that the house of Cornelius did. They were baptized into the spirit first, then baptized with water. Which baptism immersed them into Christ's death?

Please go back and read the explanation for the Cornelius story.... try to understand the PURPOSE of the story.... good grief.

 

[hornetguy]

we were baptized in water into christ.. well which one were we baptized into Water or Christ?

You are doing your best to play word games.... we are not baptized INTO water.... we are baptized into Christ with water as the medium...

 

[hornetguy]

I did not miss anything,

I will ask you also.

A person repents. Calls on the name of the lord to be saved, but for whatever reason is not water baptized for a few months after that person called out to God. Is that person saved?

I cannot answer that, because it is not up to me... it is up to our loving God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You are doing your best to play word games.... we are not baptized INTO water.... we are baptized into Christ with water as the medium...

lol And I am playing word games?

I was baptized into christ period. I was placed into christ By God himself.

No water involved.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I cannot answer that, because it is not up to me... it is up to our loving God.

What if he dies before he was able to get baptized in water?

 

[hornetguy]

What if aliens abducted him and took him away before he could be baptized?
What if Christ came again before he could be baptized?
What if he was baptized first, THEN accepted Jesus?

We can play these silly games all day long.... and the answer is still the same... see post 150....

 

[Magenta]

John baptized Jesus to fulfill all righteousness. (Matthew 3:15)
As we all should do.

You do not fulfill all righteousness, either by getting baptized, or by baptizing others. Only Jesus could
fulfill all righteousness. We put on His righteousness by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
Do you know why Jesus had John baptize Him to fulfill all righteousness?
Do you know in what way righteousness was fulfilled via Jesus' baptism?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

What if aliens abducted him and took him away before he could be baptized?
What if Christ came again before he could be baptized?
What if he was baptized first, THEN accepted Jesus?

We can play these silly games all day long.... and the answer is still the same... see post 150....

Then you just PROVED. That water baptism is not required for salvation. If it was. Then your answer would be no. These people are nto saved.

Saying it is up to God is just a cop out. Either baptism is required or it is not. You can not have it both ways.

The fact is, God does baptize us with the spirit just as John the Baptist said he would. He will baptize those who reject him in fire..

Water baptism is a command, And we should obey all commands.

But to claim Faith is great, but we must be baptized in water too, is just as dangerous as the jews saying faith is Great, but you must be circumcized. Paul called than an anathema. And called the people who followed that false teaching fools.

I think we should heed pauls warning.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You do not fulfill all righteousness, either by getting baptized, or by baptizing others. Only Jesus could
fulfill all righteousness. We put on His righteousness by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
Do you know why Jesus had John baptize Him to fulfill all righteousness?
Do you know in what way righteousness was fulfilled via Jesus' baptism?

To fulfill the shadow/type of Aaron's commissioning as high priest and David's prophecy in Psalms 110.

See:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/christ-is-god.153694/page-104#post-5394373[/QUOTE]

 

[Magenta]

To fulfill the shadow/type of Aaron's commissioning as high priest and David's prophecy in Psalms 110.

See:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/christ-is-god.153694/page-104#post-5394373

In short, Jesus kept the law in being baptized.

 

[hornetguy]

Then you just PROVED. That water baptism is not required for salvation. If it was. Then your answer would be no. These people are nto saved.

Saying it is up to God is just a cop out. Either baptism is required or it is not. You can not have it both ways.

The fact is, God does baptize us with the spirit just as John the Baptist said he would. He will baptize those who reject him in fire..

Water baptism is a command, And we should obey all commands.

But to claim Faith is great, but we must be baptized in water too, is just as dangerous as the jews saying faith is Great, but you must be circumcized. Paul called than an anathema. And called the people who followed that false teaching fools.

I think we should heed pauls warning.

I "proved" no such thing. I believe we are commanded to be baptized....it is how we receive the indwelling Spirit... scriptural.
Every story about unbelievers being saved includes baptism, except the thief on the cross.... and Jesus himself worked that out...
There are scriptures too numerous to list here that explain why baptism is necessary....you can either choose to study scripture with understanding, or you can continue to play your semantics games. I choose to not play those games. How could I possibly tell you if someone is saved? God saves people.
I just know what scripture says, and do my best to do what God tells us to do...

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I "proved" no such thing. I believe we are commanded to be baptized....it is how we receive the indwelling Spirit... scriptural.-

But if you do not believe we recieve the Holy Spirit until we are baptized. And they were never baptized. They were never saved.

again, you can not have it both ways.

and your wrong. It is not scriptural. I received the HS the moment I was born again. I was baptized in water months later when the church scheduled me to be baptized.

Every story about unbelievers being saved includes baptism, except the thief on the cross.... and Jesus himself worked that out...

Oh?

John 1 - Buty as many as have recieved him to them he gave the right to be children of God. No baptism
John 3. Just as moses lifted the serpent, so to must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world. He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but has eternal life. For the son was not sent to judge the world. But that the world may be saved. Whoever believes in him is NOT CONDEMNED (SAVED) whoever does not believe is condemned already. Again, no baptism
John 3 - He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (Again no baptism)
John 5 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into (again, no baptism)
John 6 - And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” (Again, no water baptism)
John 7 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said,out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Again, no baptism, in fact. We see the HS given BEFORE baptism. Just like we saw in Acts 10

There are scriptures too numerous to list here that explain why baptism is necessary....

If baptism was necessary, the people in my example are lost. You said they could be saved, you could not know.. you just contradicted yourself.

you can either choose to study scripture with understanding, or you can continue to play your semantics games. I choose to not play those games. How could I possibly tell you if someone is saved? God saves people.

I just gave you the gospel in jesus own words when he spoke to numerous people in the book of John. There are so many more I could give you which also show a person is saved and have not been baptized (eph 1 eph 2, Titus 3 quickly comes to mind) are you willing to to study scriptures with understanding like you just asked me to. Or just continue to hold your hand out and not do what you are asking me to do?

How can you tell me if someone is saved? See your playing the cop out game. I said these people had true saving faith. They cried out like the tax collector. But they had not been baptized yet.

According to your belief system, they must be baptized first. THEN they are saved.

so according to your belief system. These people could not be saved yet.. they had not completed their act of faith.

I just know what scripture says, and do my best to do what God tells us to do...

Well i disagree with your first statment, but agree with your second statement in part.. My best is not good enough on a sunny day let alone a stormy day.. so I try to lay it all to christ. Not in myself.. God will work through me.. I just need to get out of his way

 

[Lamar]

You do not fulfill all righteousness, either by getting baptized, or by baptizing others. Only Jesus could fulfill all righteousness. We put on His righteousness by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.

Agreed. But both the baptism of Jesus and our baptism are physical not metaphysical. Hence the one baptism spoken of by Paul in Romans 6:3 and Eph. 4:5-6. The one baptism spoken of in the great commission is a physical water baptism not metaphysical. No one can attest to a metaphysical baptism such as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit mentioned in the New Testament.

Do you know why Jesus had John baptize Him to fulfill all righteousness?
Do you know in what way righteousness was fulfilled via Jesus' baptism?

Please tell.