Baptismal Regeneration of Infants

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Baptismal Regeneration of infants

  • Yes it is valid

    Votes: 9 29.0%
  • No it is not valid

    Votes: 22 71.0%

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Nov 14, 2012
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Ya'll demand scripture from me and i have provided it. These weird numbers you have come up with mean nothing to me and they are definetly not bible references.
 
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Can any of you give me a bible reference where infant baptism is forbidden?
 
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sltaylor

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You have some weird numbers here! Scripture please
The numbers are from a concordance, Father was the same word used by Jesus and Paul.

The heavenly father was the same word but meant God.
The Father Paul used was the same word as the word Jesus used yet meant: progenitor which means:something that is a model for something else : something that begins the development of something else.

Paul was saying he was a model, that's why he says right after that that he urged him to IMITATE HIM...

See it now?
Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father*through the gospel.

16*Therefore I urge you to imitate me.
 
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The numbers are from a concordance, Father was the same word used by Jesus and Paul.

The heavenly father was the same word but meant God.
The Father Paul used was the same word as the word Jesus used yet meant: progenitor which means:something that is a model for something else : something that begins the development of something else.

Paul was saying he was a model, that's why he says right after that that he urged him to IMITATE HIM...

See it now?
Concordance written by who? Seems you are following man
 
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sltaylor

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Concordance written by who? Seems you are following man
No its called research into the context of the original text sir, see the revised post above

The context in which Father was used meant 'model', which is why in the VERY NEXT VERSE he urged him to IMITATE him
 
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The numbers are from a concordance, Father was the same word used by Jesus and Paul.

The heavenly father was the same word but meant God.
The Father Paul used was the same word as the word Jesus used yet meant: progenitor which means:something that is a model for something else : something that begins the development of something else.

Paul was saying he was a model, that's why he says right after that that he urged him to IMITATE HIM...

See it now?
So you admit to having a human teacher? And ya'll scream that the Holy Spirit leads you? Bunk. So sorry your teacher is wrong
 
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sltaylor

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So you admit to having a human teacher? And ya'll scream that the Holy Spirit leads you? Bunk.
Seriously that's the only reply you have when I prove through the context of scripture what Paul was implying by Father?? Ok

And yes, the holy spirit lead me into ALL THAT TRUTH
 
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sltaylor

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So you admit to having a human teacher? And ya'll scream that the Holy Spirit leads you? Bunk. So sorry your teacher is wrong
No its called research into the context of the original text sir, see the revised post above

The context in which Father was used meant 'model', which is why in the VERY NEXT VERSE he urged him to IMITATE him

Model...imitate...sounds good enough to me...
 
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Seriously that's the only reply you have when I prove through the context of scripture what Paul was implying by Father?? Ok

And yes, the holy spirit lead me into ALL THAT TRUTH
Yeah, I get told all the time in these threads I am listening to Satan because I listen to the pope. Then you people post stuff indicating you listen to another human being and I cant help but point out the hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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sltaylor

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Yeah, I get told all the time in these threads I am listening to Satan because I listen to the pope. Then you people post stuff indicating you listen to another human being and I cant help but point out the hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!
Hold on man, maybe someone else said that not me, you believe I believe, despite out difference you are saved by Christ brother, this was simply about what the context of that particualr Scripture is about. I'm not like that man, I swear.
 
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DesiredHaven

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And your scripture for this? I know you all love your scripture. Can you back up that what Paul said was not the Word of God? It is scripture after all
In both ye say well (of Him)

John 13:13
Ye call me Master
and Lord:
and ye say well;
for so I am.

However, he says...

Mat 23:8
But be not ye
called Rabbi:
for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren
.

Likewise...

Mat 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth:
for your Father, which is in heaven
.

Even as when he taught them to pray

Luke 11:2
When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

As Jesus did likewise when he prayed...

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world,
but these are in the world,
and
I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,
that they may be one, as we are
.

Our Lord calls His Father in heaven,
"Holy Father"


Again...

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth:
for one is your Father, which is in heaven
.

Ye are all brethren, he (that sanctifies) is not ashamed to call them (which are sanctified) brethren, even as he says go to my brethren (which recieve the Spirit of adoption) by him which cries Abba Father

John 20:17... Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father,and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Shows just as there be teachers given God gave some to be (Ephes 4:11), even as Paul was a teacher (2 Ti 1:11) Even as there be masters (though not many should be) James 3:1 Of elders (and of such) to be treated as fathers 1 Ti 5:1, Jesus just said not call any man on earth father. Jesus says ye all are brethren. Just because the apostles speak of treating elders as fathers or elder women as mothers doesnt mean calling them that (or even insisting others to call them that it contradicts Jesus) . Even serving as son would with his father as shown with Timothy (alongside of Paul, as the younger would alongside the elder (yes). But both have one Father which is in heaven,

There is that which is called one thing as there be a thing but in contrast (for us) what we should not call a thing,

For example even in gods...

1Cr 8:5
For though there be that are called gods
,
whether in heaven or in earth, (
as there be gods many, and lords many,)


But to us it says...

1Cr 8:6 But to us there
is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ
, by whom are all things, and we by him.

For example,
there be masters

But be not many masters)

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Just do not be called that

Mat 23:10
Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.

Jesus is called that and say well in calling him so

John 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord:
and ye say well; for so I am.

 
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sltaylor

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In both ye say well (of Him)

John 13:13
Ye call me Master
and Lord:
and ye say well;
for so I am.

However, he says...

Mat 23:8
But be not ye
called Rabbi:
for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren
.

Likewise...

Mat 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth:
for your Father, which is in heaven
.

Even as when he taught them to pray

Luke 11:2
When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

As Jesus did likewise when he prayed...

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world,
but these are in the world,
and
I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,
that they may be one, as we are
.

Our Lord calls His Father in heaven,
"Holy Father"


Again...

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth:
for one is your Father, which is in heaven
.

Ye are all brethren, he (that sanctifies) is not ashamed to call them (which are sanctified) brethren, even as he says go to my brethren (which recieve the Spirit of adoption) by him which cries Abba Father

John 20:17... Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father,and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Shows just as there be teachers as God gave some to be (Ephes 4:11), even as Paul was (2 Ti 1:11) or even as there be masters (though not many should be) James 3:1 or elders (and of such) to be treated as fathers 1 Ti 5:1, Jesus just said not call any man on earth father. Jesus says ye all are brethren. Just because the apostles speak of treating elders as fathers or elder women as mothers that doesnt mean calling them that (or even insisting others to be call them that it contradicts Jesus . Even serving as son would with his father as shown with Timothy (alongside of Paul, as the younger would alongside the elder (yes). But both have one Father which is in heaven,

There is that which is called one thing as there be a thing but in contrast (for us) what we should not call a thing,

For example even in gods...

1Cr 8:5
For though there be that are called gods
,
whether in heaven or in earth, (
as there be gods many, and lords many,)


But to us it says...

1Cr 8:6 But to us there
is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ
, by whom are all things, and we by him.

For example,
there be masters

but be not many masters)

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Just do not be called that

Mat 23:10
Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.

Jesus is called that and say well in calling him so

John 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord:
and ye say well; for so I am.

Well researched!
 
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sltaylor

Guest
Concordance written by who? Seems you are following man
Look man, it's Strongs concordance, it's just a reference to the original greek and hebrew text, it's not rewriting what has been written, it's just a reference for what the greek and hebrew words meant.

Strongs concordance is the best researched and probably the best known concordance used by all who research the context of the text, some words translated to English had multiple meanings in the original greek and hebrew text, it is an awesome study tool.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Thanks you copied me before I finished editing that a bit more.

Its 4 AM here I am heading to bed Bro, have blessed evening in our Lord Jesus Christ
 
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DesiredHaven

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1 Cor 4:15! Didnt address this one in your rant, maybe you just dont like it
Thats right Paul was Pope, not Peter (you guys have it all wrong) lol

Just messing with you (good night)
 
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You know, in all of this I have still not received a scripture forbidding Infant Baptising
 
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sltaylor

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1 Cor 4:15! Didnt address this one in your rant, maybe you just dont like it
I did address it, the word Father was meant to be understood as model, so substitute model for Father and you will see why Paul says imitate him.
That entire chapter was about him sending his son to remind them about his way of life (model)
 
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I did address it, the word Father was meant to be understood as model, so substitute model for Father and you will see why Paul says imitate him.
That entire chapter was about him sending his son to remind them about his way of life (model)
So then why all the flack about priests being called Father? They are our model afterall no matter what the hypocrites say
 
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sltaylor

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So then why all the flack about priests being called Father? They are our model afterall no matter what the hypocrites say
True, I can see your understanding from that, but Jesus and Paul used the same word, but they meant different things. Jesus was actually talking about Father as we consider God to be, Paul said you don't have many Fathers (models), but through the gospel he became the model, so imitate him, that's why the chapter was abiut his way of life and Timothy reminding the hearers of that way of life.

Jesus did say don't call anyone Father as well, I don't know what else to say man.
 
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