Baptist and Baptism

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preston39

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My answer would be because you died for my sins, were buried and rose again the third day to provide for me eternal life. I believe the gospel by trusting in your finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation.

Man is saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
Yours is another way to say it.
We received grace through His sacrifice....death on the cross.

Why do you denigrate......works?...they are very important. Mentioning the two in the same breath suggest they are equal...which is not true.
 

mailmandan

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Yours is another way to say it.
We received grace through His sacrifice....death on the cross.

Why do you denigrate......works?...they are very important. Mentioning the two in the same breath suggest they are equal...which is not true.
Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:1,2 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

I do not denigrate work. I just put them in their proper place. Subsequent to having been saved through faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
 
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Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:1,2 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

I do not denigrate work. I just put them in their proper place. Subsequent to having been saved through faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
If it is grace, it is no longer works. Other wise grace is no longer grace.

This is scripture. Not a persons idea.
 

preston39

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Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:1,2 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

I do not denigrate work. I just put them in their proper place. Subsequent to having been saved through faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
You are not answering my question...why refer to works when the topic was another?
 

mailmandan

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Further, I asked you why did you mention works with another topic as main? You haven't answered it.
Because you said, “Only by G-d's grace are we able to meet His standards for eternal salvation.”

Meeting standards implies works and you have already demonstrated that you believe man is saved by faith and works (with a heavy emphasis on water baptism).

In regards to meeting God’s standards see Romans 3:23 and Roman 6:23.
 

BillG

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Yours is another way to say it.
We received grace through His sacrifice....death on the cross.

Why do you denigrate......works?...they are very important. Mentioning the two in the same breath suggest they are equal...which is not true.
@mailmandan does not denigrate works at all.

In fact he has often posted many times

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. 10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

Maybe he quoted V8-9 is because is to say that faith saves and not baptism.

Because baptism does not save us.

Yet you seem to denigrate faith and place the emphasis on works.
So you place works above faith. Works are superior to faith.

I have read your posts and the threads you have started.
Not once have I ever seen you talk about faith.

Now I could be wrong.
So please prove me wrong.
Whilst you do then like MMD as I have said many times.
Faith saves us unto good works.

As you do that then please quote posts that you have made concerning faith in Jesus.
 

BillG

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Because you said, “Only by G-d's grace are we able to meet His standards for eternal salvation.”

Meeting standards implies works and you have already demonstrated that you believe man is saved by faith and works (with a heavy emphasis on water baptism).

In regards to meeting God’s standards see Romans 3:23 and Roman 6:23.
Where by saved by faith?