Baptist and Baptism

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Magenta

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If symbols have no meaning to a person, then they are not thinking of the symbols correctly.
Who has said symbols have no meaning? I see the symbolic meaning being affirmed repeatedly :)
 

dcontroversal

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#83
A wee bit too Jewish Legalism for me........leaving out the "o" in God...........

If y'all feel that strongly about it.........call Him what He called Himself "I Am." Oh, no, wait, Christ also called Himself "I Am." Guess that would mess y'all up a wee bit?

:)

Abba, Father, God, Jesus Christ, I Am, Jehovah Jireh.................. perfectly acceptable names to call God as far as I am concerned. He is ONLY CONCERNED that we do so with love for Him in my opinion.............

But, hey, if that makes folks happy (leaving the "o" out) then that's cool with me. However, for someone to pretend that they are more respectful towards The Lord God to leave out the "o" is more than a wee bit being full of themselves in my opinion.
Amen.....like that makes them more holy or something...Paul, Peter and even Jesus <--all JEWS USED THE TERMS FOR GOD......it is ridiculous to believe that leaving out the "o" when using the GENERIC NAME FOR GOD is upholding some sort of spiritual code or creedance.......it is rather ridiculous....
 

dcontroversal

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#84
The thief on the cross was being put to death for murder and thievery...He was identified with Barabbas which was in the same boat as the two thieves that were crucified with Jesus....No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him.......the thief was not saved and or immersed when he went to the cross....this can be deduced from ALL ACCOUNTS in the gospels....not only is it adding to scripture to say he was immersed, it is also putting the OX BEFORE THE CART.......it is interesting to me how many will add to scriptute in order to peddle a false gospel or to support their false view!!
 

preston39

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#85
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I studied he origins a few years back and did not remember baptism being considered “necessary “ for salvation by Baptist teachings. I just went back and restudied the issue going back to the early formation of its variants in the early 1600’s. There were some early adherents that “may” have taught that, but they never were in the majority and were a splintered group. I don’t know what variation of Baptist church you attended in the 60’s, but their beliefs pertaining to baptism were not the norm within mainstream Baptist church doctrine.
Spinning? No, I am trying to reason with you. If water baptism was a requirement for salvation, then the thief was not saved and you call Jesus a liar. You can try to dictate my participation, but you are not my boss, and I thank God for that :)
end of discussion. You are a spinner...I did not call anyone a liar.
 

Magenta

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#86
end of discussion. You are a spinner...I did not call anyone a liar.
I did not say you did. It was a conditional sentence. If you understand English, that is how it works. If you do not understand English well, you will misunderstand much.
 

dcontroversal

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#87
I did not say you did. It was a conditional sentence. If you understand English, that is how it works. If you do not understand English well, you will misunderstand much.
We already know he misunderstands much.....
 

Magenta

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#89
We already know he misunderstands much.....
It seems pretty obvious to me, but then, what is obvious to me is missed by others, and some of what seems obvious to others, makes no sense to me, though I usually do understand what they are saying :)
 

posthuman

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#90
if you can't understand what you read, or if you reject the plain very thing you asked for, there's not much sense in me continuing with you.
not that that means i won't continue anyway. just that i don't always act rationally, and i don't like the idea of giving up on someone. that's sad.
 

posthuman

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end of discussion. You are a spinner...I did not call anyone a liar.

she was using a logical analysis to show what the implications of the idea of baptismal regeneration are for the thief on the cross, not actually accusing you. i doubt she assumed you had actually thought that implication through, concluded it to be blasphemous, and accepted it. rather, that you had not, and i assume she is trying to show you why the example of the thief on the cross is so famously given as an argument against baptismal generation, in hopes to persuade you. it is given often, because it is a powerful argument.
 

Magenta

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#92
she was using a logical analysis to show what the implications of the idea of baptismal regeneration are for the thief on the cross, not actually accusing you. i doubt she assumed you had actually thought that implication through, concluded it to be blasphemous, and accepted it. rather, that you had not, and i assume she is trying to show you why the example of the thief on the cross is so famously given as an argument against baptismal generation, in hopes to persuade you. it is given often, because it is a powerful argument.
Thank you, posthuman :)
 

Adstar

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#93
so if they unsaved, what were they doing preaching the message, going out healing people. und

cool so unsaved people were sent out by Jesus to go preach the gospel.
Luke 10:1 (KJV)
1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

Matthew 10:5-8 (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Amazing what unsaved people can do

Also what about the thief on the cross
Luke 23:42-43 (KJV)
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

When was he Baptised in the holy spirit so he could enter paradise.
Yes they preached that The Kingdom was at hand .. Meaning that the Kingdom was near.. Not that the Kingdom has already established.. And the Holy Spirit did perform miracles through them.. But the Gospel Kingdom was not established untill the Holy Spirit came down on the day of penticost and made them all temples of the Holy Spirit..

When was he Baptised in the holy spirit so he could enter paradise.
Well you could ask when where any of the OT prophets and devout Jews Baptised in the Holy Spirit? I would say it was imputed to them after Jesus was executed on the cross and said "it is finished" ...
 

Adstar

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#94
A high respectful reference to G-d is a old long standing Hebrew contribution to protection of His most high name....in case of miss use. Google... why o is left out of G-d.
No it is has nothing to do with respecting God at all.. It is a tradition of men, derived from the traditions of the Jews.. Never was it based on any Torah teachings.. It is actually showing disrespect to not call someone by their acceptable title or name..
 

Sipsey

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#95
No it is has nothing to do with respecting God at all.. It is a tradition of men, derived from the traditions of the Jews.. Never was it based on any Torah teachings.. It is actually showing disrespect to not call someone by their acceptable title or name..
I would add, when Jesus taught the pattern for prayer He also told His deciples that they could call God by an even more personal name, ABBA or Father, a very endearing term.
 

Adstar

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#96
I would add, when Jesus taught the pattern for prayer He also told His deciples that they could call God by an even more personal name, ABBA or Father, a very endearing term.
Yes indeed. (y)
 

fredoheaven

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One is not saved until G-d says we are saved. While on this earth we are ..born again...awaiting death and Judgement by our Lord....prayerfully and faithfully.......saved.
Yap and God says we are saved by the grace of God through faith and that not of ourselves...
 

Sipsey

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So, if God declares us saved, redeemed, sanctified, justified, washed in the blood of the Lamb, and we willfully sin, you think He snatches all that back?’; and says, “I made a mistake.” Or more likely, will experience chastisement here, and loss of rewards? It’s one or the other.
 

preston39

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Amen.....like that makes them more holy or something...Paul, Peter and even Jesus <--all JEWS USED THE TERMS FOR GOD......it is ridiculous to believe that leaving out the "o" when using the GENERIC NAME FOR GOD is upholding some sort of spiritual code or creedance.......it is rather ridiculous....
In your book...of which no one knows. (did you mean credence?)
The thief on the cross was being put to death for murder and thievery...He was identified with Barabbas which was in the same boat as the two thieves that were crucified with Jesus....No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him.......the thief was not saved and or immersed when he went to the cross....this can be deduced from ALL ACCOUNTS in the gospels....not only is it adding to scripture to say he was immersed, it is also putting the OX BEFORE THE CART.......it is interesting to me how many will add to scriptute in order to peddle a false gospel or to support their false view!!
We already know he misunderstands much.....
You are a leftist...I see....typical of those , when they have no defense of position they attack.
You are disagreeing with G-d's word....not me.