Baptized With The Holy Spirit
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So much foolishness in this discussion. It is full immersion... One cannot be sprinkled with the Holy Spirit - one is immersed into the Holy Spirit. (Mat. 3:11) As Baptism is equated to death and burial, in the Scriptures - who ever heard of a body being sprinkled or partially immersed into the ground?
The problem here is a simple one... For those that have been sprinkled and not immersed, the question catches them where they live and it takes real Grace and desire to admit they are wrong. I know, I have been down this path.
For those who are looking for a verse to spell it out - black and white, if you will - I don't see how you learn much from the Scriptures. Many a great Truth comes from placing Scripture with Scripture in order to ascertain the true meaning because it is not spelled out in one, single, verse. This is called Study, Prayer and Meditation.
Rather than argue amongst each other, why not try approaching the subject with an ear to learning.
The problem here is a simple one... For those that have been sprinkled and not immersed, the question catches them where they live and it takes real Grace and desire to admit they are wrong. I know, I have been down this path.
For those who are looking for a verse to spell it out - black and white, if you will - I don't see how you learn much from the Scriptures. Many a great Truth comes from placing Scripture with Scripture in order to ascertain the true meaning because it is not spelled out in one, single, verse. This is called Study, Prayer and Meditation.
Rather than argue amongst each other, why not try approaching the subject with an ear to learning.
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Ephesians 5:22-25
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it"
The underlined phrases are used in the institutional sense. Husbands (plural) and Wives (plural) is used in a regular sense, referring to each one individually (but in the plural). But there is no such thing as a giant universal invisible husband made up of all husbands, nor is there such a thing as a giant universal invisible wife made up of all wives, nor exists any such thing as a giant universal invisible church made up of all the saved (believers). The reference "the church" is referring to any given single church of the Lord Jesus Christ, just as "the husband" and "the wife" are referring to any given husband and wife respectively in the institutional sense. This is not complicated to understand, yet so many cannot see it. All of the saved make up the family of God (NOT a covenant relationship). Israel and 'the Father' are in covenant (marital) relationship, and Jesus and His bride are in covenant (marital, though not consumated yet) relationship. The one is a parent - child relationship between the Father and His children. The others are covenant (marital) relationships between "spouses". God instituted marriage, and He instituted the family -- two seperate types of institutions. Confusing the one with the other may cause you to miss some very important truth.
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it"
The underlined phrases are used in the institutional sense. Husbands (plural) and Wives (plural) is used in a regular sense, referring to each one individually (but in the plural). But there is no such thing as a giant universal invisible husband made up of all husbands, nor is there such a thing as a giant universal invisible wife made up of all wives, nor exists any such thing as a giant universal invisible church made up of all the saved (believers). The reference "the church" is referring to any given single church of the Lord Jesus Christ, just as "the husband" and "the wife" are referring to any given husband and wife respectively in the institutional sense. This is not complicated to understand, yet so many cannot see it. All of the saved make up the family of God (NOT a covenant relationship). Israel and 'the Father' are in covenant (marital) relationship, and Jesus and His bride are in covenant (marital, though not consumated yet) relationship. The one is a parent - child relationship between the Father and His children. The others are covenant (marital) relationships between "spouses". God instituted marriage, and He instituted the family -- two seperate types of institutions. Confusing the one with the other may cause you to miss some very important truth.
This is the perfect example of what I was talking about, when you said: Pouring is definitely a biblical reference to receiving the Holy Spirit
I was referring to the nature of the baptism the example you gave is the extent of the Spirit. When the Holy Spirit takes up residence in a believer, He is part of our entire being. He seals us, He instructs us, He aids us and He gives us abilities. That is immersion in the Spirit.
The "pouring" out of the Spirit, is a picture word showing the extent. Perhaps what John Gill had to say might be of assistance to you.
John Gill:
By the Spirit is meant the gifts of the Spirit, the spirit of wisdom and knowledge, of understanding the mysteries of the Gospel, of explaining the Scriptures, and of speaking languages; and by the pouring of it out, is intended the abundance and great plenty of the gifts and graces of the Spirit bestowed; but yet not all of him, or all his gifts and grace in the large extent of them: therefore it is said, not "my Spirit", but "of my Spirit", or "out of it"; as out of an unfathomable, immeasurable, and inexhaustible fountain and fulness:
So as you can see, This has nothing to do with the issue of Baptism. But I think you knew that already.
I was referring to the nature of the baptism the example you gave is the extent of the Spirit. When the Holy Spirit takes up residence in a believer, He is part of our entire being. He seals us, He instructs us, He aids us and He gives us abilities. That is immersion in the Spirit.
The "pouring" out of the Spirit, is a picture word showing the extent. Perhaps what John Gill had to say might be of assistance to you.
John Gill:
By the Spirit is meant the gifts of the Spirit, the spirit of wisdom and knowledge, of understanding the mysteries of the Gospel, of explaining the Scriptures, and of speaking languages; and by the pouring of it out, is intended the abundance and great plenty of the gifts and graces of the Spirit bestowed; but yet not all of him, or all his gifts and grace in the large extent of them: therefore it is said, not "my Spirit", but "of my Spirit", or "out of it"; as out of an unfathomable, immeasurable, and inexhaustible fountain and fulness:
So as you can see, This has nothing to do with the issue of Baptism. But I think you knew that already.