Baptizing

[KennethC]

Jesus final command in Matthew


Matthew 28:16-20


The Great Commission


16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus final command in Matthew


Matthew 28:16-20


The Great Commission


16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

1, Make disciples first.. (they were already saved before they were baptised)
2. Teach to observe ALL (All things are of equal importance. Not one thing is more important)

So please stop saying water baptism is over other commands, They are all the same.. If you hold baptism is essential. then every one of Gods commands are essential. and you better be perfect. or you will lose.

 

[4enlightment]

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 8:6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” (It is speaking about the ones that are led by the spirit)


God had claimed those that are from the old covenant as righteous not because of their deeds by the laws, but by their spirit; because they all had sinned, violated the laws, but led by the spirit of God, eventhough they were led into the wilderness without any food. Even the people of Nineveh believed not by site, but by faith through the prophet Jonah. And so they had listened to the spirit, the One whom had given Jonah the word, but it was not Jonah's word. It all ways has been by the spirit, not by the following word by word, the laws.


2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. (and He meant all of the words that proceeded from the mouth of God, the whole Holy scriptures and all)

 

[Marcelo]

BenFTW said: The better question would be to ask, why not? For what reason would you not get baptized, considering it was a command given (by Jesus to make disciples)?

If Jesus himself got baptized, why should we not also?

 

[KennethC]

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 8:6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” (It is speaking about the ones that are led by the spirit)


God had claimed those that are from the old covenant as righteous not because of their deeds by the laws, but by their spirit; because they all had sinned, violated the laws, but led by the spirit of God, eventhough they were led into the wilderness without any food. Even the people of Nineveh believed not by site, but by faith through the prophet Jonah. And so they had listened to the spirit, the One whom had given Jonah the word, but it was not Jonah's word. It all ways has been by the spirit, not by the following word by word, the laws.


2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. (and He meant all of the words that proceeded from the mouth of God, the whole Holy scriptures and all)

I did not read your whole post, but why did you post scriptures about not being under the Law ???

Jesus teachings and commands given in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is not the Law we are not under, those are the teachings for the new covenant !!!

Notice in His last command in Matthew I posted in #181, that command was given to the whole Church, and it said to obey all that He commanded !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

BenFTW said: The better question would be to ask, why not? For what reason would you not get baptized, considering it was a command given (by Jesus to make disciples)?

If Jesus himself got baptized, why should we not also?

No one is saying not to get baptized.

did Jesus need saved? Then his baptism must not be for salvation. But something else.

 

[mailmandan]

1, Make disciples first.. (they were already saved before they were baptised)
2. Teach to observe ALL (All things are of equal importance. Not one thing is more important)

So please stop saying water baptism is over other commands, They are all the same.. If you hold baptism is essential. then every one of Gods commands are essential. and you better be perfect. or you will lose.

Amen brother! Well said!

 

[4enlightment]

BenFTW said: The better question would be to ask, why not? For what reason would you not get baptized, considering it was a command given (by Jesus to make disciples)?

If Jesus himself got baptized, why should we not also?

Matthew 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

Mark 14:49 Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.”

Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Luke 22:37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

Acts 3:18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer.

Jesus has to fulfill all of the requirements of the old covenant and what was prophesied by the prophets in order to complete the old scriptures. But Jesus just told John to go ahead so that He can complete the task of the prophecies. If you browse all through the four gospel, Jesus always saying that He has to fulfill these tasks. If they weren't fulfill and which that would meant that the prophets were liars. And so the washing with water was a ritual that they had practiced to prepared themselves before the arrival of the King. And now it is a new covenant that we are under, that has new prophesies about to take place in the future. But this time it going to be discerned by the spirit, not like the old that has done it by the natural.

Psalm 69:21 They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my thirst.

John 19:28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.”

Isaiah 55:1 “Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

Esther 2:9 She pleased him and won his favor. Immediately he provided her with her beauty treatments and special food. He assigned to her seven female attendants selected from the king’s palace and moved her and her attendants into the best place in the harem.

Luke 7:46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet.

 

[4enlightment]

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

 

[phil36]

An interesting point to remember about Baptism, is that the accounts we have are all first generation christians. Some may understand what I am hinting at

 

[Txroads]

Notice in Scripture that John the Baptist baptized many but later on in life he had doubts about Christ. Also Peter says it is an answer of a good conscience towards God and it isn't the a symbol of putting away of the flesh. I don't think people should expect to be perfect immediately after baptism.

When did he have doubts about christ?....

 

[4enlightment]

I did not read your whole post, but why did you post scriptures about not being under the Law ???

Jesus teachings and commands given in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is not the Law we are not under, those are the teachings for the new covenant !!!

Notice in His last command in Matthew I posted in #181, that command was given to the whole Church, and it said to obey all that He commanded !!!

We are not under the law, but under grace as it says. We cannot keep all of those laws, especially the sacrifices; and so thank God that we are not under the laws anymore. But if you are under grace, that means that you has to show it as well. But if you cannot forgive someone that slap you on one cheek, then you are in danger of the fires of hell.

 

[4enlightment]

The first Baptism was done by the physical nature, but now it is done in the the spirit.

 

[coby]

When did he have doubts about christ?....

when he was in prison because Herod's wife wanted him killed

And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of[a]his disciples*3*and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?”

 

[hornetguy]

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 8:6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” (It is speaking about the ones that are led by the spirit)


God had claimed those that are from the old covenant as righteous not because of their deeds by the laws, but by their spirit; because they all had sinned, violated the laws, but led by the spirit of God, eventhough they were led into the wilderness without any food. Even the people of Nineveh believed not by site, but by faith through the prophet Jonah. And so they had listened to the spirit, the One whom had given Jonah the word, but it was not Jonah's word. It all ways has been by the spirit, not by the following word by word, the laws.


2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. (and He meant all of the words that proceeded from the mouth of God, the whole Holy scriptures and all)

I guess I don't get the point of posting all these scriptures?

 

[hornetguy]

An interesting point to remember about Baptism, is that the accounts we have are all first generation christians. Some may understand what I am hinting at

I don't....

 

[hornetguy]

The first Baptism was done by the physical nature, but now it is done in the the spirit.

Again... I disagree, if you mean that baptism is ONLY a spiritual baptism, without immersion in water.
Too many scriptures say specifically to do it. You can take all the scriptures you want to, out of context, about the spiritual aspects of our walk with Christ, but the word still says it's part of the salvation process.
Your comments seem to be pointedly saying that you believe water baptism is not necessary. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Txroads]

when he was in prison because Herod's wife wanted him killed

And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of[a]his disciples*3*and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?”

Thanks coby... I went back and read through it and it sure does make you think what the heck was going on with him when you think about everything he did

 

[4enlightment]

Again... I disagree, if you mean that baptism is ONLY a spiritual baptism, without immersion in water.
Too many scriptures say specifically to do it. You can take all the scriptures you want to, out of context, about the spiritual aspects of our walk with Christ, but the word still says it's part of the salvation process.
Your comments seem to be pointedly saying that you believe water baptism is not necessary. Is that what you are saying?

Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.

Acts 1:4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” 6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Acts 8:18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money

Acts 8:20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

In these verses it is showing how they were Baptized, and it did not says anything about water. I know we all were brought up in believing that they were Baptizing with water, but they were being Baptize, but not by earthly water, but by the Living water. I guess you all have to go to your church's leaders and tell them the good news about the spiritual Baptism.

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

 

[hornetguy]

So, the Ethiopean eunuch was baptized..how? Nicodemus and his family were baptized...how?

[SUP]36 [/SUP]As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [SUP]37 [/SUP][[SUP][m][/SUP]And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] [SUP]38 [/SUP]And he ordered the [SUP][n][/SUP]chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. [SUP]39 [/SUP]When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, [SUP][o][/SUP]but went on his way rejoicing.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Pretty clear to someone truly searching, and not trying to prove their own beliefs....