Be Perfect As Your Heavenly Father Is Perfect.
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Your right, It was never do the best you can do. it was always you best is not good enough.
David did not do the best he could do against Goliath He let God do the work through him.
Your right, Salvation is by faith
ut we do not then start to do the best we can, We learn to allow God to work in and through us
The best you can is still nto good enough. And anything you do in the flesh. Even if it is morally good thing, is sin. Because you are doing self righteousness. Not Gods righteousness.
David did not do the best he could do against Goliath He let God do the work through him.
Your right, Salvation is by faith
ut we do not then start to do the best we can, We learn to allow God to work in and through us
The best you can is still nto good enough. And anything you do in the flesh. Even if it is morally good thing, is sin. Because you are doing self righteousness. Not Gods righteousness.
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I never said it was.
I am not talking about justification. Why do you always assume that is what I am talking about?
Whether you like it or not. Doing the best you can is self righteousness. Your relying on your self your flesh do the work. And not relying on God to work in and through you. The moment you stopped trying to do your best and came to Jesus in faith and were justified. You entered his rest. You stop trying to do your best. And start allowing God to work in you.
I am not talking about justification. Why do you always assume that is what I am talking about?
Whether you like it or not. Doing the best you can is self righteousness. Your relying on your self your flesh do the work. And not relying on God to work in and through you. The moment you stopped trying to do your best and came to Jesus in faith and were justified. You entered his rest. You stop trying to do your best. And start allowing God to work in you.
Good Lord, e-g, you are impossible! Did I not say we must place our faith in the Cross for salvation?
You are labeling me as a Pharisee again! We do our best through sanctification allowing the Holy Spirit to have his way in our life becoming more and more Christlike!
We don't always cooperate with Him, the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak! Do you understand this at all?
You are labeling me as a Pharisee again! We do our best through sanctification allowing the Holy Spirit to have his way in our life becoming more and more Christlike!
We don't always cooperate with Him, the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak! Do you understand this at all?
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You are hard of hearing.
did I say you did not say this? Why is it you can read post after post of mine, And you keep insisting I claim you are trying to be justified by the law
I have never said such, and I ask kindly one more time for you to stop claiming I am.
Your the one with an issue here my friend not me
NO WE DON”T. THATS SElF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Why is it so harder for you to understand?? YOU CAN NOT DO ANY GOOD OF YOUR FLESH> YOU CAN ONLY SIN!!
I understand it completely, Sadly I fear you have no understanding of how we are sanctified and become christ like.
Your trying to do the best you can. God never asked us to do this, He said rely on him, He said enter his rest. So we can stop from all our work.
You want us to work.
did I say you did not say this? Why is it you can read post after post of mine, And you keep insisting I claim you are trying to be justified by the law
I have never said such, and I ask kindly one more time for you to stop claiming I am.
Your the one with an issue here my friend not me
NO WE DON”T. THATS SElF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Why is it so harder for you to understand?? YOU CAN NOT DO ANY GOOD OF YOUR FLESH> YOU CAN ONLY SIN!!
I understand it completely, Sadly I fear you have no understanding of how we are sanctified and become christ like.
Your trying to do the best you can. God never asked us to do this, He said rely on him, He said enter his rest. So we can stop from all our work.
You want us to work.
LOL! You fear that I have no understanding of sanctification! Are you there for the Holy Spirit every time He wants to work in your life?
Do you capitalize on everything He desires to accomplish with you? If you are, you're the only one I know of!
We don't do the best we can in cooperating with the Spirit, so what does that mean?
Maybe, we do the best we can in our fallen state, just maybe.
Do you capitalize on everything He desires to accomplish with you? If you are, you're the only one I know of!
We don't do the best we can in cooperating with the Spirit, so what does that mean?
Maybe, we do the best we can in our fallen state, just maybe.
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I don;t fear anything, I know
I never said I was. Way to many times, I get in Gods way, Because I try my best, instead of letting God do the work for me.
There you go with your strawman again. Your not hitting the points I am trying to make. You try to make it appear like I am saying something I am not.
I am sorry you do not understand the truth of how we walk in the spirit..
This is saying you in the flesh do the best YOU CAN
TAKE YOU out of the equation. And you will understand how GOD SANCTIFIES YOU
the best we can is not good enough. And its all self righteousness.
Doing the best you can is all about YOU. not about God.
I never said I was. Way to many times, I get in Gods way, Because I try my best, instead of letting God do the work for me.
There you go with your strawman again. Your not hitting the points I am trying to make. You try to make it appear like I am saying something I am not.
I am sorry you do not understand the truth of how we walk in the spirit..
This is saying you in the flesh do the best YOU CAN
TAKE YOU out of the equation. And you will understand how GOD SANCTIFIES YOU
the best we can is not good enough. And its all self righteousness.
Doing the best you can is all about YOU. not about God.
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I ain’t righteous
Once again, you just prove you do not understand a thing I am saying
open up man. Your stuck on what you think I say. So you can’t hear a word I say
The difference between you and me is I learn to be christlike by leaning on him, Seeking after him, Allowing him to work in me. And learning the law of love
You do it by doing your best.
good luck with that
Once again, you just prove you do not understand a thing I am saying
open up man. Your stuck on what you think I say. So you can’t hear a word I say
The difference between you and me is I learn to be christlike by leaning on him, Seeking after him, Allowing him to work in me. And learning the law of love
You do it by doing your best.
good luck with that
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Nope I never said this
Will you stop putting words in my mouth, You making a fool of yourself.
Yep. To you its about doing YOUR BEST
To me its about God working in me
I never said God always wins. I even stated I fail when I TRY TO DO MY BEST. Because I am nto relying on God I am relying on me
Again, You just can;t see the difference.
Keep mocking dude. Thats what religious people dol. they mock they judge, they slander and they are hard of hearing.
Will you stop putting words in my mouth, You making a fool of yourself.
Yep. To you its about doing YOUR BEST
To me its about God working in me
I never said God always wins. I even stated I fail when I TRY TO DO MY BEST. Because I am nto relying on God I am relying on me
Again, You just can;t see the difference.
Keep mocking dude. Thats what religious people dol. they mock they judge, they slander and they are hard of hearing.
You finally realize that? That's what I've been saying all along, that *context* determines how a word is being used and therefore what it means. The logical conclusion to this is that the *same word* can mean different things in different contexts, yes!
You're doubling down on your contradiction! 1st you say people are sinful. Then you say that they can act in a sinless way. That is indeed a contradiction.
From my point of view, people can indeed obey God. But they can't be sinless. No matter how obedient we are, we have the Sin Nature residing within us, always wanting to turn us to our corrupted attitudes. No matter how loving we are, there is always something inside tempting us to indulge our resident envy, jealousy, hostility, lust, covetousness, etc.
To be "perfect" is to comply with God's word. But it does not at the moment of obedience exterminate the Sin Nature within us, the resident corruption of our thoughts. We can resist them, but inasmuch as we are resisting them we are proving that they're still there!
It sounds like a person can be sinless at the moment of obedience, and then withdraw back into a state of sin? Are you saying that a person can go back and forth from sinless to sin?
If sin is dead, the way you're describing it, that would make us sinless. Is that what you're saying, that when we obey, and render sin "dead," that we at that point become sinless?
You're right in admitting we have a Sin Nature, if that's what you're saying. But the way you're using the word "perfect," you're contradicting that position by claiming we can, for the moment, become sinless. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Your whole problem is that you're doubling down on the use of the word "perfect" in a way it was never meant to be used. It was never intended to refer to a sinless condition, but rather, to conformity. To conform to God's word is not to be perfect, but to align ourselves so that we are doing what we're called upon to do. It is proper obedience, but not "perfection."
You're doubling down on your contradiction! 1st you say people are sinful. Then you say that they can act in a sinless way. That is indeed a contradiction.
From my point of view, people can indeed obey God. But they can't be sinless. No matter how obedient we are, we have the Sin Nature residing within us, always wanting to turn us to our corrupted attitudes. No matter how loving we are, there is always something inside tempting us to indulge our resident envy, jealousy, hostility, lust, covetousness, etc.
To be "perfect" is to comply with God's word. But it does not at the moment of obedience exterminate the Sin Nature within us, the resident corruption of our thoughts. We can resist them, but inasmuch as we are resisting them we are proving that they're still there!
It sounds like a person can be sinless at the moment of obedience, and then withdraw back into a state of sin? Are you saying that a person can go back and forth from sinless to sin?
If sin is dead, the way you're describing it, that would make us sinless. Is that what you're saying, that when we obey, and render sin "dead," that we at that point become sinless?
You're right in admitting we have a Sin Nature, if that's what you're saying. But the way you're using the word "perfect," you're contradicting that position by claiming we can, for the moment, become sinless. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Your whole problem is that you're doubling down on the use of the word "perfect" in a way it was never meant to be used. It was never intended to refer to a sinless condition, but rather, to conformity. To conform to God's word is not to be perfect, but to align ourselves so that we are doing what we're called upon to do. It is proper obedience, but not "perfection."