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Yes, that is my question. In the following verse, Jesus is called the beginning and the end. But the beginning and the end of what?
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
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I think you could say He is the beginning and the end of our faith. An exclusive faith that begins with hearing Him as to the end of that work of faith that He works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure.. By it as new creatures he gives us spiritual ears to hear and therefore a newly created heart that can understand Him who remains without form.
In that way He is our total confidence .
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ
That same confidence of His faith working in us in Galatians3
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Gal 3:1-5
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
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Thanks. So you see the term beginning here as meaning the beginning from each saved person's new birth? Is that correct? If so, that would be similar to my understanding. I see the beginning as possibly meaning the cross and resurrection, when Jesus began giving new life to persons.
Could you define the end in that regard a little more fully.
Could you define the end in that regard a little more fully.
I like the thoughts expressed here, and surely agree that He is the beginning and the end and the perfection of our faith. But I also think it speaks to who He is as well. His Divinity.........but, to be sure I an not way out in left field on this, I did a quick search to see what Gill said about this Verse from Revelation. Gill likens/links Vs. 1:8 and 22:13 together when discussing this.
Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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Revelation 1:13I am Alpha and Omega (See Gill on Revelation 1:8). These characters are all put together here, which are before used in ( Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:11 ) ( 21:6 ) and are very pertinently mentioned in this place, when all promises and prophecies, relating to the glorious kingdom of Christ, were just finishing, and that itself was ready to appear, in which Christ alone should be exalted, the mystery of God would be completed, and time itself be no more. The Ethiopic version adds, "the beginning and end of days", or time. A testimony this, of the deity, eternity, infinity, and perfection of Christ.
Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
He says:
Revelation 1:13I am Alpha and Omega (See Gill on Revelation 1:8). These characters are all put together here, which are before used in ( Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:11 ) ( 21:6 ) and are very pertinently mentioned in this place, when all promises and prophecies, relating to the glorious kingdom of Christ, were just finishing, and that itself was ready to appear, in which Christ alone should be exalted, the mystery of God would be completed, and time itself be no more. The Ethiopic version adds, "the beginning and end of days", or time. A testimony this, of the deity, eternity, infinity, and perfection of Christ.
Thanks p-rehbein. Is there a verse that specifically says that time stops? Rev 10:6 says: "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"
but this could just mean the time runs out on the thing he is doing, not time ending over all.
but this could just mean the time runs out on the thing he is doing, not time ending over all.
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I think it is a given that with God.....there is no time. Time, as we understand it, was created for man, and God is not now, nor never has been, nor ever will be bound by time.
He says it quite plainly..........................when He says "I AM."
Here, in this creation, life, all things are bound by time.........."there is a time for all seasons........" but, in Heaven, at the Throne of God, time does not exist.............ALL "IS".
Revelation 21:23) [FONT="]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.[/FONT]
He says it quite plainly..........................when He says "I AM."
Here, in this creation, life, all things are bound by time.........."there is a time for all seasons........" but, in Heaven, at the Throne of God, time does not exist.............ALL "IS".
Revelation 21:23) [FONT="]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.[/FONT]
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This might also be of help......
Revelation 10:6) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
From my reading......this thought causes debate/discussion between those who believe that we will all live on the new earth, and those (like me) who believe we shall live in Heaven with God/Christ for ever and ever.........so, I suspect, arguments can be made either way.
Revelation 10:6) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
From my reading......this thought causes debate/discussion between those who believe that we will all live on the new earth, and those (like me) who believe we shall live in Heaven with God/Christ for ever and ever.........so, I suspect, arguments can be made either way.
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Whose faith of men or of God is the question?
From my experiences it would seem that the faith of God generated by His word can be mistaken for the faith we have towards Him (dead faith) .Many say God does not have or need faith in that way. Jesus said in John 6 ; it is the work of God (work of faith) by which we can believe God . Not of our own selves.
It is by Christ’s work of faith that we have confidence in Christ. the beginning and end thereof. The faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. It is not of our own selves (the imaginations of one’s own heart) For it the work of God working in us that gives us a new heart. .And therefore not of our own selves lest any boast in their own works.
If a person does not see that God has faith as a work that he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure it will be confusing when trying to reconcile..Scripture calls that "no faith" as in natural man .I believe they miss the mark. The scripture informs us .What if some do not believe God according to His work of faith? Will their unbelief (no faith ) make the faith of God without effect.?
From my experiences it would seem that the faith of God generated by His word can be mistaken for the faith we have towards Him (dead faith) .Many say God does not have or need faith in that way. Jesus said in John 6 ; it is the work of God (work of faith) by which we can believe God . Not of our own selves.
It is by Christ’s work of faith that we have confidence in Christ. the beginning and end thereof. The faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. It is not of our own selves (the imaginations of one’s own heart) For it the work of God working in us that gives us a new heart. .And therefore not of our own selves lest any boast in their own works.
If a person does not see that God has faith as a work that he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure it will be confusing when trying to reconcile..Scripture calls that "no faith" as in natural man .I believe they miss the mark. The scripture informs us .What if some do not believe God according to His work of faith? Will their unbelief (no faith ) make the faith of God without effect.?
I would suggest seeing time has run out (time no longer: ) we are reminded that the law of God will not fail to be against us until that end. In the new heavens and earth we will walk by sight. Knowing Him as we are known..
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
There are some that say we are no longer under the perfect law of God?
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From the RSP Bible; "the Alpha and the Omega. The first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. God is Alpha (Creator) and Omega (the One who ushers in the new heaven and new earth). He is Lord of all—past, present, and future—as suggested by “who is . . . is to come” (cf. 4:1–5:14 note). His sovereignty in creation guarantees the fulfillment of His purposes in re-creation."
Jesus had a beginning- the Light created on day one was not physical- "Day 4 sun, moon, and stars galore." The Father always comes before the Son- that's what Father means. Like Colossians 1 says, All the fullness of the Father is in the Son. This is because He had no spiritual mother, so unlike us who are physically of our biological father and mother, Jesus is completely of the Father. Some may view this as cloning, but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three beings of the same mind and purpose. Matter of fact, as Christ's church, we are also to be all of the same mind and purpose, but we definitely are individuals.
Jesus is before us, after He was created He then created all things- like Colossians says, nothing was made without Jesus that had been made- that means Day 1s light was not a thing. Our purpose starts and ends with Him. In speaking of Jesus Colossians says, "All things were made by Him and for Him. He is the Beginning, but His End has no end. It just means He is everything to us.
Jesus is before us, after He was created He then created all things- like Colossians says, nothing was made without Jesus that had been made- that means Day 1s light was not a thing. Our purpose starts and ends with Him. In speaking of Jesus Colossians says, "All things were made by Him and for Him. He is the Beginning, but His End has no end. It just means He is everything to us.
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