BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

tanakh · Mar 2, 2017

The answer for me is that the prophecies in the Bible have more than one application and that includes Revelation.

Revelation starts with the following -

The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him
to shew his servants things which must shortly come to pass.

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If I was told something was going to happen shortly I would expect it to occur very soon not in 2000 plus years from now.
Revelation also uses the word soon which somehow gets twisted to mean something very different from normal English by those who claim to take the bible literally.

The book consists of visions many based on OT passages which are often ignored. Metaphor and Symbolism are used as well to explain and emphasize the message. This was the way the Jewish Rabbis and Writers wrote to get the message across and John was Jewish.

The messages of the Prophets also contain this method and their messages often apply both to their hearers and for the future generations. Some of the prophecies about the first coming of Jesus use this same method and allusions to him and his Messiahship can be found throughout the Bible.

iamsoandso · Mar 2, 2017

tanakh said:

More or less I think so also. In times past I noticed that in this modern times it is pointed out in the discussions of the things the Lord said in Matt.Mark,luke and Rev. in specific "soon,quickly,near ect." and it also made me wonder.

In Joel 1:15 the term is used by Joel "the day of the Lord is AT HAND" and in Joel 2:1 it is "NIGH AT HAND" Joel 2 Interlinear Bible In trying to date the book of Joel as to when it was written most see it as written between 630-400bc so at hand,neigh at hand which is from the Hebrew word is #7138 "qarowb" so "soon,near,at hand is at least 430 years later if not 700 years later in reference to Acts 2:16-21

So the term soon or near,at hand used in the new testament may be being used in the same manner as in Joel. It seems evident that in scripture these terms are used and that soon,at hand,quickly ect. as used by God don’t necessarily agree with what we(humans) regard as quick or soon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joel

abcdef · Mar 2, 2017

tanakh said:

Mal 4:5, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:"

400 yrs later, confirmed to be John the Baptist by Jesus Matt 11:12-14.

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Just what "type"of Elijah, were the people expecting?

A person who would literally bring "fire from heaven" down on the enemies of Israel?

I think that's what they were looking for, along with a earthly kingdom. (Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world)

That is why it is so hard for people to believe that it was John.

But look at the reference to the day of the Lord, "great and dreadful", linked to John's coming,

But which day of the Lord is it?

1. The day of the Lord against Jerusalem.

2. The final day of the Lord where this material world passes away.

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Acts 2:17-21, 16, Confirmation by Peter of the prophecy in Joel 2:28-32, being fulfilled on the day of Pentecost.

But which day of the Lord is it?

1. The day of the Lord against Jerusalem.

2. The final day of the Lord where this world passes away.

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See the description about the day.

The words used here is typical of other "days of the Lord" against Babylon, Egypt, Edom, and others.

We know that the descriptions of the other "days" should not be taken as literal.

" The moon into blood" literal or symbolic? (Acts 2:20) Symbolic.

So we see the history of the symbolism and the meaning behind the symbols from the OT examples.

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Rev 6:14, "And the heaven departed as a scroll".

Literal or symbolic?

If literal, the world is over.

If symbolic, God's protection is withdrawn.

One problem for the literal side.

The problem really comes when switching back and forth, from literal to symbolic, or contrarywise, in the middle of a passage.

It is tempting to do it, but the integrity of the passage should try to be maintained.

tanakh · Mar 3, 2017

abcdef said:

Yes I agree with you. Before I started to make a serious study of the last days I had a problem with John the Baptist and Elijah in that John denied he was Elijah and Jesus said he was. I had overlooked that firstly an Angel had told Zachariah
that John would come in the Spirit and Power of Elijah and that people were expecting Elijah the Prophet to actually come back himself. I was thinking the same way as the Jews did in Johns day. However it still leaves a question as to whether the real Elijah will come back because he was taken up alive in a whirlwind. Maybe he is one of the two witnesses but that leaves a problem. If he was taken up alive he would need a transformed body to be in heaven. If he has one he wouldn't be killed and get resurrected after three days. Any suggestions?

Ahwatukee · Mar 3, 2017

tanakh said:

Hello Tanakh,

I agree with you that John the Baptist was that type of Elijah to come. But Elijah himself is a good candidate as being one of the two witnesses who will be on the earth during that last seven years. Some believe that it will be Elijah and Moses, but I tend to lean towards Elijah and Enoch and that because Moses died and has not yet resurrected, where Elijah and Enoch never experienced physical death, for God took them.

abcdef · Mar 4, 2017

tanakh said:

Zech 4:6, " ...This is the word of the Lord..."

The 2 witnesses are the word of God.

The description given in Rev 11 is describing the attributes of the people of Israel who "live" by the words of the OT.

Israel is the flesh through which the word flows out to souls.

The Law of Moses and the Prophets are words that witness of Jesus, Jn 5:39.

They are the words of life that flow from the throne of God.

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The 2 witnesses, Israel, witness outside Jerusalem in mourning sackcloth, until they are restored to the city (1967).

This is the times of the gentiles or the 2nd, 3 1/2 times, from 70 ad until 1967, when Israel witnesses in Jerusalem again.

The story ends with the coming of Jesus, the 2nd/last resurrection, and the end of this planet.
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abcdef · Mar 6, 2017

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Soon, all the arguments will end.

Soon, the battle of Armageddon will be fought before our eyes.

Then the armies of Iran and it's allies will stand in Jerusalem.

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What will the prophets say, when the battle of Armageddon is being fought, when we see it?

Will they say, "Jesus will save them"!

They say that now, some do,

They say, "strike Iran, start a war, Jesus will return and save Israel"!

They encourage to start a war, that they will not win,

As a result, Jerusalem will fall.

And the 7th trumpet will blow.

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This reality, will be come clearer as time goes by.

If you don't see this coming yet, you will.

We will all face the end of this world together.

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The last thing to happen before the final war begins is that,

The Bishop of Rome (Caesar/false prophet), speaks the words, that deceive the Kings of the East (Iran) into war with Israel and Jerusalem, Rev 16:13-14.

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It appears that all the pieces are falling in place, that the guns are being loaded.

Russia and Iran are going to have so much military hardware in Syria that it will be impossible to stop them from entering Jerusalem.

Israel is half the size of the Netherlands or Belgium, how long will it take to genocide a nation this size? 2 weeks?

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Please, remember, this is about saving souls Acts 2:38.

When we leave, we want to leave with no regrets, about how we could have preached a little bit more, spent more time saving souls, speaking to friends, family, and others.

You know that their eternal souls are the only thing that matters.

Material goods, cars, houses, money, earthly treasures, all are about to pass away, (they were going to be left behind when we die anyway).

Have no regrets, don't look back to see what happened to your new car, or what happened to your friends.

Of course you begged them to become Christians, told them that Jesus rose from the dead and that He's coming back for us,

Told them about how Jesus loves them and wants us all to be with Him in heaven,

You told them many times right?

Told them how important it was, that their eternal soul depended on accepting Jesus?

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We have time left,

Enough time to trim the wick, add the oil, and shine the light.

Behold the Bridegroom Cometh!

Ahwatukee · Mar 7, 2017

Hello John,

The battle of Armageddon does not take place until after all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place and we have yet to see the first seal opened. It isn't until the pouring out of the 6th bowl judgment that those demonic being go out to gather the kings of the earth for battle:

"The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”)And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon."

Therefore, Armageddon does not take place at the 7th trumpet. Armageddon is the gathering of all of the kings, their generals, their armies and all people great and small and that after the 6th bowl has been poured out, which takes place at least 3 years after the sounding of the 7th trumpet.

I would say "if you are here to observe the battle of Armageddon, then it is because you were not worthy to be gathered with the church several years earlier, which is the only reason that anyone will be here on earth during the time of God's wrath."

abcdef · Mar 7, 2017

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My Brother,

Ahwatukee said:

So if this battle were to take place, and Israel loses the battle, and the enemies of Israel have Jerusalem surrounded,

Then you will know for sure that pre-trib, can't be right and that Jesus is coming.

When this battle takes place, it is a sign that Jesus is coming.

When it happens, in a while from now, in front of us, will you understand then?

The battle of Armageddon is shown at the 6th vial Rev 16.

The battle is also shown at the 6th trumpet Rev 9.

(not the 6th seal, that is showing the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad)

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Both enemies cross the Euphrates and are headed for Jerusalem.

This indicates that Jerusalem is restored to Israel by that time.........present.

The trib was 70ad until 1967 when Israel was returned to control over Jerusalem, the 2nd, 3 1/2 ts.

When we see the battle taking place,

Know this,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls,

The Bridegroom arrives and eternity will begin.

Everyone left on earth after the resurrection, will be killed when the planet is destroyed by the fire from heaven.

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Look at thee Middle East.

Look at the reality of what is happening there.

Israel is surrounded.

The winds of destruction from across the Euphrates are growing stronger.

It's only a matter of time before Jerusalem falls.

(Israel is about the same size as Wales, about 8000 sq mi, Massachusetts is 8257 sq mi)

Ahwatukee · Mar 7, 2017

John, yes I will know when the battle is taking place, because those who are in Christ will be returning with him to the earth as that army riding on white horses. Armageddon takes place after the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment. It is at the pouring out of the sixth bowl judgment that the kings, their generals and their armies, are gathered together to fight against Christ and his army when Christ returns to the earth to end the age. Below is the scripture again:

"The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

“Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

As you can see from the scripture above, it is at the 6th bowl judgment that the kings and their armies are gathered together at Armageddon, which takes place when the Lord returns to the earth after the 7th bowl has been poured out. Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of Armageddon. But, before Armageddon can take place, all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. That said, the 1st seal has not yet been opened.

Friend, anyone who finds themselves on the earth when Armageddon happens, it would mean that they were not worthy of partaking of the resurrection, which will have taken place several years earlier. If you were here on earth to see Armageddon, you would have gone through the entire wrath of God.

The church is the army that is seen following Christ out of heaven as Armageddon is taking place.

No John! The 6th trumpet is a completely separate judgment from the 6th bowl. That is a demonic army gathered together by those four evil angels who will kill a third of inhabitants of the earth. There is a reason why there are seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, each one being numbered one through seven. And that because they follow each other sequentially. Each seal, trumpet and bowl is a separate event of wrath. None of them are the same.

All you are doing is distorting the words of this prophecy with your claims.

abcdef · Mar 10, 2017

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Brother Ahwatukee,

Ahwatukee said:

Literal or symbolic?

The waters are symbolic of the strength and power of the people of that region, Iraq.

The power that kept Iran from destroying Israel has dried up and united, under Shiite Islamic Satanism, with Iran.

The idea that they cross the Euphrates, shows that they are headed for Jerusalem.

Symbolic or Literal?

Who is the Dragon? He has 7 heads and 10 horns Rev 12:3, Rome.

Who is the beast? He has 7 heads and 10 horns also Rev 17:7, Rome.

Who is the False Prophet? Rev 13:11, The religious goat (2 horns, like a lamb) of Rome, Caesar/Bishop of Rome.

Who are the frogs? Lying Spirits that are spoken by Rome, Rome, Rome.

Why would Rome, LIE, with the intent to destroy Israel?

Why would Rome want Iran to destroy Israel?

Why would the Vatican and the Bishop of Rome endorse and support Iran's intent to conquer Jerusalem?

Is it because Rome teaches that it is the ONLY TRUE ISRAEL/CHURCH????

Israel is restored to control of Jerusalem, the times of the gentile trampling is over.

When this battle takes place, know that the coming of Jesus is only days and hours away.

Think about the location of this place.

What elements must take place before this battle can take place?

Israel must be restored, as it is now.

Iran must be a power, as it is now.

What happened to the 7th vial?

This army is part of the 6th vial, aren't they destroyed at the 7 vial?

If the Wrath of God is finished at the 7th vial, how can there be any more wrath?

Who survives the 7th vial, anybody?

If all the cities of the earth fall, who will be left to fight?

Jerusalem divides into 3 parts and everything is destroyed, who will be left alive?

The 7 seals run from the rejection of the gospel kingdom, until the dest of Jerusalem.

The 7 trumpets follow the seals time period and are the time from the Revelation until the 2nd/last resurrection at the 7th trumpet.

The seals and trumpets are directed at the natural branches for rejecting the kingdom.

All the seal have been open since 70 ad.

And 6 of the trumpets have sounded.

The 7th/last trumpet will sound 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

The trib was from 70 ad until 1967 when the natural branches were restored to Jerusalem.

So both the wild and natural branches went through the trib.

What about the 2000 yrs persecution of Rome (4th beast nation, iron legs) over Israel?

Just skip that part of history?

They are the OT saints from the 1st resurrection (with Jesus),who get victory over the earth beast (Roman Empire), by the gospel preaching of the OT Jn 5:39.

It only says that heaven was opened, it does not say that they return to earth.

There is a remnant, the earth beast.

Revelation is not one complete time lime.

It has different timelines that show the same events, with variations of viewpoint.

It won't be long (2 years? 5 years? 8 months) until the events take place,

Then there will be no doubts.

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Ahwatukee · Mar 10, 2017

Good day John,

Literal. The waters of the Euphrates will literally be dried up to make way for the kings of the east to come across to gather in the valley of Megiddo, with the rest of the kings and their armies from around the world. The following also reveals their crossing the Euphrates as being literal:

"They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty"

The drying up of the Euphrates will be literal as a result of those demonic spirits who go and gather the kings throughout the world for the battle of the great day of God Almighty, just as the scripture above states. Your claim that it is symbolic is subjective, for multiple scriptures demonstrate that it will be literal.

The dragon is representing Satan as a whole (Rev.12:9, 20:2)

The seven heads of the dragon/beast represent seven hills upon which the woman sits

The seven heads also represent seven kings

You are correct, the second beast is the false prophet, which I believe will be one of the future popes, who will be the one performing those miracles, signs and wonders.

There is no scripture that states that the lying spirits represent Rome. It is implied on your part. They are exactly what the scripture states they are, demonic spirits that are the ones behind the satanic counterfeit signs and who go out to gather the world together at Armageddon.

The above has nothing to do with my original claim that Armageddon doesn't take place until the end of the seven years when Christ returns to the earth and that because you stated that it is about to happen. My point being that all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place before Armageddon takes place and we haven't even seen the first seal opened. All of the nations will be gathered together for Armageddon. And as Christ returns to the earth to end the age, they will all be killed with that double-edged sword, which is symbolic for the word of God (Rev.19:15, 21)

You have a very strange way of arriving at your conclusions. At the pouring out of the 6th bowl/vial, those demonic spirits gather the kings of the earth to Armageddon, including the kings of the east via the drying up of the Euphrates river. Then the 7th bowl/vial is poured out, the kings of the earth are gathered at Armageddon and the Lord returns to the earth to defeat them. What is so difficult about understanding that.?

The above makes no sense at all! What does "The 7 seals run from the rejection of the gospel kingdom" even mean? It makes no sense.

After the 7th bowl has been poured out, the Lord will return to the earth and will destroy all of those gathered at Armageddon. Those who worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark, will not be allowed into the millennial period and will be killed by that double-edged sword, which is the word of God. The Lord will be basically be tying up those who survive the aftermath.

It is the woman who rides the beast, that city that sits on seven hills, Mystery, Babylon the great, that splits into three parts, not Jerusalem.

No! The seals have not even begun yet. They will not begin until the church has been removed from the earth. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will all take place within that last seven years leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

When the wrath of God begins, no one will have to wonder whether or not it has begun, because it will be all too obvious.

The ten crowns represent ten men who will be made kings along with the beast

abcdef · Mar 11, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

The waters symbolize people, Rev 17:15, Is 8:7-8.

In this case, the people of the Euphrates river regoin.

Magog, Rev 20:8-9.

It does not say that the river dries up AS A RESULT of the activity of the 3 spirits.

The vial is poured out 1st, then the 3 spirits speak.

Of course the symbols represent literal events and identities.

The dragon is ROME, the spirit of Satan, in the flesh nation of the 4th beast and iron legs.

The dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns Rev 12:3.

The dragon is the spirit IN Rome.

Again Rome, why don't you face what you know is true,

The beast is ROME!

Yes, and the 6th head was Caesar of John's time Rev 17:10, "one is".

The 7th and the 8th heads are also Rome.

THE FALSE PROPHET IS CAESAR/THE BISHOP OF ROME.

He is the 8th head that survives after the Roman Empire falls.

The Bishop of Rome IS THE IMAGE of Caesar.

The spirits come out of the mouths of the,

Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns, Rome, Rev 12:3.

Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, Rome, Rev 17.

And the "little horn" (Dan. 7), the false prophet (8th head, Rev 17:11), who is part of the 4th beast and iron legs, Rome.

So I would say that there is a pretty good connection between the lying spirits and Rome.

Except that Rev 15:8 says that after the 7 vials are poured out, men will be able to enter the heavenly temple.

And the heavenly temple is not shown to be accessible to men until Rev 21:3 & 22.

So this would show that after the 7 vials are ended, heaven and eternity are begun.

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If the wrath of God is filled at the 7th vial,

How can there be anymore wrath?

That is Armageddon, must happen after the 6th vial is poured out, but before the 7th is poured out.

That is because you are looking at the Revelation as if it were about the whole planet and not just about Israel.

When it says something like "the whole world", it means the whole world of Israel, not the planet.

The seals and trumpets are centered on the natural branches, the restoration of Israel to Jerusalem, and the 2nd/final resurrection.

Rev 19 is a prophecy made in 96 ad, of the fall of the Roman Empire, the sea beast.

There is a remnant, that is the earth beast.

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The time line ends at the end of ch 19.

The time line of Rev 20 begins again with the showing of the resurrection of Jesus (1st resur. 1 Cor 15:23-24)

It ends with the 2nd resur. and the fire from heaven, the last thing that takes place on this planet.

Rev 16:19, It does not say that city that is split into 3 parts is Babylon.

It says only that Babylon, "came in remembrance".

The "age" that ended in Matt 24, was the end of the temple age in 70 ad.

The Kingdom is not shown being taken up in Rev 4:1-2, it is LITERALLY, only John v 2.

It obvious was to Israel in 70 ad., that the times of the gentiles had begun.

1900 years of persecution by Rome, the 4th beast and iron legs.

It's obviously not obvious to you because it is history.

If you were a Jew during those 1900 years, you would understand.

The number 10 is symbolic of complete division.

It's use in the statue of Dan. 2, and Rev 17, are symbolic in keeping with the context of the symbolism in the passages.

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Bladerunner · Mar 11, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Hello Ahwatukee..... The prophets , I believe will be Elijah and Moses.. Moses was not taken to heaven at the time of his death. He was buried but his grave has never been found. In Mark 9:4.........Moses was resurrected at some point in time before this.

Ahwatukee · Mar 11, 2017

So, the kings of the east represent waters who are crossing the waters of the Euphrates? People symbolic as water crossing water?

As I said, the Euphrates will be literally dried up to make way for the kings of the east to be able to gather with the rest of the kings of the world in the valley of Megiddo. All of the kings of the earth are being gathered there for Armageddon, which takes place as the Lord is returning to the earth to end the age. But prior to Armageddon, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place, which has not yet begun and which is initiated by the opening of that first seal.

Armageddon is not going to take place suddenly as you have proclaimed and that because the world will have had to have gone through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments before Armageddon can take place. This is all I am going to say about this issue, because you have demonstrated the inability to comprehend the chronological order of end-time events. In fact, you have one of the most unorthodoxed interpretation of end-time events and the book of Revelation that I have ever seen. And I would suggest that you stop teaching these things.

Ahwatukee · Mar 11, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Hello Bladerunner,

The problem that I have with that is that scripture states that Jesus is the first fruits of the those who rise from the dead in those immortal and glorified bodies and the church is next.

First of all, that Moses has been resurrected is conjecture, because there is no scripture that states that this took place and goes against what I mentioned above. And secondly, when we are resurrected it will be in those immortal and glorified bodies never to die again. That said, if Moses is one of the two witnesses, then it would mean that he will have died twice and will have been resurrected twice and that because the two witnesses are killed and left in the streets of Jerusalem and then after 3 1/2 days they resurrect and ascend into heaven. All that scripture says regarding Moses is that God buried him and no resurrection. In fact Jude also mentions that Michael and Satan were disputing over the body of Moses.

In any case, that is why I favor Elijah and Enoch as being the two witnesses and that because neither of them have ever died, where Moses has died. Also, regarding Moses not being taken to heaven, his spirit was after Christ's resurrection. This took place when all of the OT saints were taken from that place of paradise across from sheol as described in the rich man and Lazarus.

Bladerunner · Mar 12, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Yes I agree with you as speaking of the New Testament. But Moses lived some 1500 years before Jesus Christ was crucified. I said resurrected? That could be the wrong word however, we do know is that Elijah and Moses was there for Jesus' ascension. This suggest that Moses was taken up (body and all) during that prior 1500 years. Plus, the fact that his Burial chamber was/has never been found.

When it comes down to it we really do not know because as you said, the Bible does not directly say. Now, my friend, my bet is still on Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses. Why? Like you had suggested , Elijah was able to call down the fire from heaven and stop the rain. Moses was able to call down the horribles (Plaques, etc) that happened to Egypt many years before.

Have a very Blessed day..

abcdef · Mar 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

The waters of the Euphrates river represent the strength and life of the people of that region (Iraq).

When it says that the river dries up, it shows that the power of the people of that region is gone.

In this case, it is seen as the power that keeps the Kings of the East (Iran) from attacking Jerusalem.

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No literal river is going to stop Iran from conquering Jerusalem.

The Euphrates River is NO obstacle to the modern armies.

But Saddam, who fought a 10 year was with Iran, would be an obstacle, but that power is gone now, almost.

The kings of the whole world?

You see that Iran is only a part of this army.

The rest of the army is Magog Rev 20:8-9, the gentile nations.

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Israel MUST be restored to Jerusalem by this time.

Or WHY (according to your time line), would the beast deceive the Kings of the East, into attacking in the valley of Armageddon,

If the Antichrist has worldwide dominion originating from Jerusalem?

Why would the Antichrist attack himself?

Also see Rev 20:8-9

The end of the age in Matt 24 is the end of the temple age, 70 ad.

The first seal is Caesar on the white horse, the Antichrist.

The battle of Armageddon is about to take place before our eyes.

There will be no mistaking it.

Israel will lose.

When this happens, Jesus will come,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

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My brother,

What is the old saying?

Too many cooks spoil the stew?

Too many resurrections spoil the prophecy.

There are only 2 resurrections, 1 Cor 15:23-24.

Jesus, and at His coming, then comes the end.

Not really, I agree with most things that the "70 ad" group says,

But they have nothing AFTER 70 ad, ALL their prophetic understandings stop at 70 ad., I believe that Jesus told us what was going to happen.

Because of this "cramping" theory, they must bend all prophecy to fit into their time line ending at 70 ad.

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On the other side, pre-trib, is just the opposite it seems.

Under Pre-trib, No prophecies are about the destruction of Jerusalem and the following 1900 years.

Nothing after 33 1/2 ad, until the "rapture".

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Both theories seem to COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE LAST 1900 YEARS OF PERSECUTION BY THE ROMAN BEAST NATION, the times of the gentiles, Lk 21:20-24.

Well, we both will stand before our Lord and give an account.

We both will answer to Him.

Lord Jesus, please have mercy on the souls of men.

tanakh · Mar 13, 2017

abcdef said:

I fail to completely understand what you've posted. I can see that the witnesses can represent the Law and the Prophets, (Moses and Elijah}, but a large part of Jerusalem was already in Israeli hands before 1967. They then took the Temple mount, East Jerusalem and the west bank which was part of Jordan before the six day war. How exactly is the three and a half times divided to stretch from AD70 until 1967? and what exactly is Israel supposed to be witnessing at present seeing that they are still in a state of unbelief regarding Christ as their Messiah. It is only at the second coming that a remnant will be saved

biwicks · Mar 13, 2017

My dear brother..you are in error if that how you interpret prophesy.... You ought to know history first and after that find out which kingdom lasted for 3.5 times prophetic equivalent to 1260 years ....Num 14:34 'According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection.....
Jerusalem and isrealites lost their significance at the cross. And no one knows the day christ will come back apart from the father alone..Mar 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

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