Being on the housetop
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This has always bothered me. The Bible seems to be "Out-dated" in prophecy.
Take Revelation 19 for example:
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Zechariah has the same thing, mentioning animals that arent used in warfare anymore. Just like Ezekiel 38&39 and Matthew 24 with the field and rooftop thing that you mentioned.
No country goes to war with horses or mules or camels nowadays. Nobody has camps with camels in them today when in war. Thats just not happening no more.
Im sure John Ezekiel, Zechariah etc. could have described tanks or jets in SOME WAY, not maybe perfectly due to it being so foreign to them, but something other than horses and spears and camels.
This has led many to speculate about a massive EMP causing a return to previous technology.
Take Revelation 19 for example:
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Zechariah has the same thing, mentioning animals that arent used in warfare anymore. Just like Ezekiel 38&39 and Matthew 24 with the field and rooftop thing that you mentioned.
No country goes to war with horses or mules or camels nowadays. Nobody has camps with camels in them today when in war. Thats just not happening no more.
Im sure John Ezekiel, Zechariah etc. could have described tanks or jets in SOME WAY, not maybe perfectly due to it being so foreign to them, but something other than horses and spears and camels.
This has led many to speculate about a massive EMP causing a return to previous technology.
I believe the housetop to represent the head of household, like Lot, who took himself, his wife and daughters out of Sodom.
Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
I'm of the opinion that Luke 17 also describes this same scenario with additional information, describing the time in which these events take place comparable to the days of Noah, and the days of Lot in Sodom, which results in a rapture. This did not happen in the first century.
Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
I completely agree.
But im not a preterist because Matthew 24:30 didnt happen in 70AD.
Or if it did, it was the least impactful and over-hyped return EVER. Nobody noticed it, despite Matthew 24:30 saying EVERYONE will see it, just like Revelation 1:7.
No record in history of Jesus ever returning
But im not a preterist because Matthew 24:30 didnt happen in 70AD.
Or if it did, it was the least impactful and over-hyped return EVER. Nobody noticed it, despite Matthew 24:30 saying EVERYONE will see it, just like Revelation 1:7.
No record in history of Jesus ever returning
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Has the idea that what is being said is no matter what is being done you just get out ? The roof top often back then a place of rest the field a place of work . A picture is drawn saying no matter what you are doing get out and don’t go back for your walking stick or your favorite whatever, just get out .
Blessings
Bill
Blessings
Bill
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You are claiming that housetop has no meaning other than to get a message across better. I do not believe the Lord did that, as it would make His Word untrue.
You never addressed Luke 17 (post #27) where those upon their housetops are among people comparable to the days of Noah, and the days of Lot in Sodom that conclude in a rapture, and which I said never happened in the first century.
You never addressed Luke 17 (post #27) where those upon their housetops are among people comparable to the days of Noah, and the days of Lot in Sodom that conclude in a rapture, and which I said never happened in the first century.
No, what I said was this was the manner of speech when making prophetic declarations - and no, I don't think roof tops and fields are an important part of the declaration.
No need to - people have been eating and drinking and a marrying since Noah just as Christ said - this mode of speech is basically saying the folks back then would be generally oblivious to events and carrying on as nothing out of the usual was happening just as in the day of Pearl harbour.
No need to - people have been eating and drinking and a marrying since Noah just as Christ said - this mode of speech is basically saying the folks back then would be generally oblivious to events and carrying on as nothing out of the usual was happening just as in the day of Pearl harbour.
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My original post was in regard to the relevance of housetop. From there you took it further by associating Luke 17 with the 66-70 AD destruction of Jerusalem. When I pointed out that the days in which they who are upon their housetops in Luke 17 will be like the days of Noah, and the days of Lot in Sodom, where at the end of which appears a rapture; you then claimed the days of Noah and Lot have been running since, while omitting the rapture. You have diminished and omitted the Lord's Word with this claim and omission, just so you can keep holding on to your dogma that these events happened in the first century.
The Lord carefully uses every Word in scriptures for a purpose (Psalm 12:6).
Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
The Lord carefully uses every Word in scriptures for a purpose (Psalm 12:6).
Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.