Believing on his name

mailmandan · Monday at 9:17 AM

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 10:39 AM

its sad those who chose to trust in self. accuse those of us who chose to trust in God.

Beckworth · Monday at 3:45 PM

JBTN said:

In a previous post, I said if a command is “generic” we may use our judgement in carrying it out AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY OF GOD’s OTHER COMMANDS.

The command to sing Psalms in Eph. 5:19, is generic ONLY in the sense that we are allowed to sing any Psalms that we might find ( even in the Old Testament) as long as they do not teach error or encourage disobedience to what God has taught us in the New Testament which is the law we are “under now. Because Colossians 3:-16 says we are teaching others when we sing, we must be careful not to sing or “teach” error when we sing. We can sing most Psalms but there are some PSALMS we should not sing because the Psalm teaches things that we as a Christian living under the Law of Christ cannot do. For, example take Psalms 18. We are taught under the Law of Christ to LOVE our enemies. We are NOT TO RETURN EVIL FOR EVIL. We are to PRAY for them, not destroy them. Matthew 5, but Psalms 18 says, he DESTROYed ALL OF HIS ENEMIES. He said he WOUNDED THEM SO They COULD NOT RISE. They “have fallen under my feet.” “I destroyed those who hated me . “ I beat them as fine as dust before the wind. I cast them out like dirt in the streets.” Is that how we are to treat our enemies? Should we ENCOURAGE that attitude when we sing “teaching and admonishing others? I can’t sing that. I can’t endorse that kind of attitude to my fellow Christian’s.

Likewise, how can I sing Psalm 150 that teaches people to worship God with instruments when God has not included musical instruments in worship under His New Law? That would be teaching error. There are many beautiful Psalms that I CAN sing and use to “teach and admonish others” though. And these we WILL use.

Thank you for these questions. It has afforded me the opportunity to discuss important lessons and principles about how to scripturally use God’s word.

Beckworth · Monday at 3:56 PM

mailmandan said:

Interesting. I thought you said “them that believe” were already saved by faith alone! Surely it doesn’t take “preaching” to save the ones that are already saved by faith alone. Do we have a contradiction? Maybe it’s more like a redundancy—preaching is going to SAVE the “SAVED WHO ARE SAVED BY FAITH ALONE.””. ????

Beckworth · Monday at 4:05 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

But can you ANSWER or refute the arguments I’ve made FROM SCRIPTURE?? If you believe I am in error and lost, feeling sorry for me will not help me or save me. Shouldn’t you be able to show me, by the Bible, what I’ve said is UNSCRIPTURAL?? What’s “sad”is your lack of response.

Everlasting-Grace · Monday at 6:25 PM

Beckworth said:

The ony thing you proved is your lack of knowledge of what scripture actually says

Believer08 · Monday at 6:36 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

Please let explain with scripture how everything she has posted is incorrect, or where the principle/lesson that she has posted from it is not true. Are we going to go by what God’s word does not say or what it does say?

HeIsHere · Monday at 9:03 PM

Everlasting-Grace said:

Believer08 · Monday at 9:20 PM

HeIsHere said:

Does obedience earn salvation? Does following Jesus earn salvation? Does abiding in the doctrine of Christ earn salvation? Is looking to the author of eternal salvation cause one to be self-righteous or is it looking to His righteousness? To suggest one believes they earn salvation for doing so is to say that Jesus and all His apostles and the NT writers taught you can earn salvation, which you most definitely cannot. A lot of get so concerned with earning salvation (an impossibility) that they lose sight of what obedience actually is.

HeIsHere · Monday at 9:22 PM

Believer08 said:

Does obedience earn salvation? Does following Jesus earn salvation? Does abiding in the doctrine of Christ earn salvation? Is looking to the author of eternal salvation cause one to be self-righteous or is it looking to His righteousness? To suggest one believes they earn salvation for doing so is to say that Jesus and all His apostles and the NT writers taught you can earn salvation, which you most definitely cannot. A lot of get so concerned with earning salvation (an impossibility) that they lose sight of what obedience actually is.

How much?

Magenta · Monday at 9:28 PM

mailmandan said:

1 Corinthians 1:18-19 ~ he message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

Believer08 · Monday at 9:28 PM

HeIsHere said:

Does any form of obedience earn what Jesus did on the cross for us to have salvation?

HeIsHere · Monday at 9:34 PM

Believer08 said:

There is one condition.... Faith IN Christ Jesus and His completely sufficient work on our behalf.

Believer08 · Monday at 9:42 PM

HeIsHere said:

I do not believe we earn salvation. Thanks for your time.

HeIsHere · Monday at 9:44 PM

Believer08 said:

If you do not agree with God that salvation is 100% secure (OSAS) then you are trying to earn your salvation, no way around it.

Thank you for your time.

Believer08 · Monday at 9:59 PM

HeIsHere said:

You are now saying an outright blatant lie about me. I emphatically said I do not believe we earn salvation, but now you accuse me of believing I do because I do not believe in OSAS? That’s absolute nonsense and an outright lie. You are also saying obedience earns what Jesus did on the cross in saying such. For the record, I never said I didn’t believe in the security of the believer, just not OSAS. There’s a big difference. I can just as easily say if you believe in OSAS then you believe you can live like the devil and still be saved. There’s no way around it. The only other option is for you to say they were never saved when faced with the truth. What’s funny is in order not to be considered “never truly saved”, you would be doing the same thing you accuse me of. Having faith in Jesus to obey, or else you were never saved. Thus, your own argument about trying to earn salvation actually applies to you, as you are making it conditional upon an obedient faith, which you classify as earning salvation, yet it is impossible to do such. And there is no way around that.

Thanks for your time.

HeIsHere · Monday at 10:03 PM

Believer08 said:

You are now saying an outright blatant lie about me. I emphatically said I do not believe we earn salvation, but now you accuse me of believing I do because I do not believe in OSAS? That’s absolute nonsense and an outright lie. You are also saying obedience earns what Jesus did on the cross in saying such. For the record, I never said I didn’t believe in the security of the believer, just not OSAS. There’s a big difference. I can just as easily say if you believe in OSAS then you believe you can live like the devil and still be saved. There’s no way around it. The only other option is for you to say they were never saved when faced with the truth. What’s funny is in order not to be considered “never truly saved”, you would be doing the same thing you accuse me of. Having faith in Jesus to obey, or else you were never saved. Thus, your own argument about trying to earn salvation actually applies to you, as you are making it conditional upon an obedient faith, which you classify as earning salvation, yet it is impossible to do such. And there is no way around that.

Thanks for your time.

"you" is just a general you, I sometimes remember to use "one" and sometimes I forget.

I see no difference between the terms "once saved always saved" and the "security of the believer."

Chill.

Believer08 · Monday at 10:13 PM

@HeIsHere, the moment you said a lie about me is the moment the conversation ended. Thankfully, I don’t have to convince you that I’m not earning my salvation. You can say that I am because I don’t believe in OSAS, but you cannot prove it. You can say it, but cannot prove it. Thankfully, your words have no truth, and Jesus knows I’m not earning it. I’m also thankful I do not believe in the damnable doctrine such as OSAS that can lead and teach that there’s no sin a child of God can commit and not go to hell, thus teaching the doctrine that you can live like the devil in unrepentant sin and be saved. OSAS truly does lead to a life of sin. I’m not ever going to believe or have someone say it does not, because people have proved it, and not only that, everyone who believes it who ends up living in sin will usually be told by their pals they were never truly saved in the first place. If it does not lead to a life of sin then why are there so many people who believes in it who do? Do you want the answer? It is because they are told they can never sin so much as to “lose” salvation. Then, when they take their doctrine to its fullest conclusion, they will usually be told they were never saved, yet they themselves will believe they are since they were told they were always saved. Yes, indeed, OSAS is a comforting doctrine that turns God’s grace into a license to sin, which violates Rom. 6:1; Jd. 4. And there is no way getting around it.

This conversation has ended.

Believer08 · Monday at 10:49 PM

Just because I do not believe in OSAS does NOT mean I believe in earning salvation!!!! You are not approaching this discussion about salvation and differing beliefs with grace and respect!! Believing that one must continue in faith and obedience does NOT equate to earning salvation!!

How would you feel if I accused you believing something falsely because of what you believe?

I’m done!!

mailmandan · Tuesday at 12:17 AM

Beckworth said:

Interesting. I thought you said “them that believe” were already saved by faith alone! Surely it doesn’t take “preaching” to save the ones that are already saved by faith alone. Do we have a contradiction? Maybe it’s more like a redundancy—preaching is going to SAVE the “SAVED WHO ARE SAVED BY FAITH ALONE.””. ????

No contradiction. So, when will you BELIEVE?

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