Between Fruitfulness and Greediness…Where is the Line?

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newton3003

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God in Genesis 1:28 commands Adam and Eve to “Be Fruitful.” Thousands of years later, in the movie ‘Wall Street,’ Gordon Gekko says, “Greed is good.” There is a tendency for people who think they are lacking, to look at someone else whom they perceive have more than they do, and they assert that the person is greedy, for how else could he have obtained his wealth? And there are clergymen who have taken a vow of poverty, fearing that if they are perceived as being wealthy, people would not believe he is a man of God. But is it really evil to obtain wealth?

We have God’s commandment to be fruitful. Being fruitful under God means that you have more from your good efforts than what you started out with. How does that compare to being greedy? Doesn’t it amount to the same thing, some may ask?

Under God, being greedy is to end up with more than what you started out with, from unrighteous efforts. And let’s not kid ourselves; all of us who are God-fearing strive for righteousness, even though it isn’t until we stand for judgement by God that we find out whether we’ve lived righteous lives. So, I tell you it is OK to think whether what we are doing is the righteous, or unrighteous thing to do.

And I tell you that not all people who became rich have done so through sinister means. Perhaps for some who have the tendency to rationalize, and who feel they are lacking, people who became rich have had an unfair advantage, so they must have acted out of evilness.

And we are told by some to not pursue material things, for this is evil. To bolster their argument, some of them may point to Ecclesiastes 5:10 which says, “He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity.” But this implies that people who acquire money do so because they love only money, or any other measure of wealth you can think of. I am told that the Book of Ecclesiastes was written by Solomon in his twilight years. Solomon himself was a very rich man.

But in the Bible, there is another rich man, whose name is Job. According to Job 1:1-3, “There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil. There were born to him seven sons and three daughters. HE POSSESSED 7,000 SHEEP, 3,000 CAMELS, 500 YOKE OF OXEN, AND 500 FEMALE DONKEYS, AND VERY MANY SERVANTS...”

What does God say about Job? He says to Satan in Job 1: 8, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, A BLAMELESS AND UPRIGHT MAN, WHO FEARS GOD AND TURNS AWAY FROM EVIL?” Well that’s a switch, huh? A rich man who isn’t evil? For surely Job didn’t need all those animals to sustain himself and his family. What can we make of this? Apparently, not all rich people are evil.

What does Jesus say about being rich? Two passages come to mind. In one, Luke 12:15, he says “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Well, he doesn’t say that it is bad to be rich, does he? He merely says not to pursue being rich for its own sake. Why? Because in the other passage, Matthew 6:24, he says “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

Where would someone like Job fit in among these passages? Well, Job was God-fearing first and foremost, but it is out of his love of God that his efforts made him rich, not merely because of pursuing wealth for wealth’s sake. Did not God say to “Be fruitful?”

So, a person can become rich through works that God would consider as being good, along with the person’s faith in God. So, greed, which involves obtaining things to the disadvantage of others, is never good, but obtaining wealth out of goodness toward others is always good.
 

Dino246

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God in Genesis 1:28 commands Adam and Eve to “Be Fruitful.” ...

We have God’s commandment to be fruitful. Being fruitful under God means that you have more from your good efforts than what you started out with. How does that compare to being greedy? Doesn’t it amount to the same thing, some may ask?

Under God, being greedy is to end up with more than what you started out with, from unrighteous efforts.
I disagree with this statement, and can't think of any Scripture to support it. Greed is tied to wanting more than you need and being unsatisfied with what you have. It has nothing to do with effort, or having more than you started with. You can have nothing or 'everything' and still be greedy.

So, a person can become rich through works that God would consider as being good, along with the person’s faith in God. So, greed, which involves obtaining things to the disadvantage of others, is never good, but obtaining wealth out of goodness toward others is always good.
I don't agree that greed necessarily involves disadvantage to others.
 
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The Bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil, for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which the Bible says if anyone preaches God blesses the saints with money, and material things for their wants, withdraw yourselves from them, having food, and clothing be content.

Jesus told the rich man to obey the commandments that have to do with loving people, not offending them, and he said he did that from youth, and then Jesus told him to sell all his things that were not a necessity, and give to the poor, then he would be perfect.

That is why the Church when it started sold all they had, and distributed the money to those that had need.

Old Testament physical blessings like Solomon, and many others, New Testament spiritual blessings, and God only blesses us with our needs, not our wants, for God loves people, and for them to be feed, and clothed, not blessing the saints with money, and material things that is not necessary for them to survive.

But it does not matter how much money you make, as long as it is done legally, and you are not ripping people off, but our lifestyle is no different for we can only go by our needs, but it only means more money for other people, which the Bible says those that are rich in this world distribute your money to those in need.

But in America it is legalized thievery, for they charge much money for things, and millions of dollars, and billions of dollars is not enough for them, all the while people are struggling to make ends meet, which God said do not have a deceitful balance, which it is like that.

Big name companies, stores, that have a multitude of stores charging more money than a mom and pop store, because they can never have enough, and is the attitude from the homeless to the president, and from sea to shining sea.

Which at the last days they will be unthankful, and unholy, and that is all it is for they are not thankful to the people that did business with them to make them rich, but keep ripping, and gypping, because that is what it is all about in America.

God said the last generation will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which we see they are doing a good job of it for they can never have enough money, which God said they are greedy dogs which can never have enough.

Now I do not say this because I am struggling, for I do better then my needs, but there is people that are struggling, and they do not care.

They sit down and plot, and plan, how to reduce costs, and charge more money, and try to get as much of your money as they can out of your hands, and in to their hands, and do not care if they bleed you dry, and you are out on the street with your wife, and 6 kids.

And if they do appear to show some caring it is all because they want people to think they are a good person, and a pat on their back for them to exalt themselves, but people that truly love people are not rich, they are not millionaires, they are not billionaires, so who are they trying to fool.

A good example of ripping people off is the Dr. Scoll's "comfort foot" insoles that are nearly 50 dollars, and a pathetic amount of material.

But in truth it is a production line product that does not cost more to produce than any other insole, and it would be cheaper for the material is less than the others.

But they say "comfort fit", so they can jack the price up.

And Yogurt that is whipped up where the regular yogurt is 7 ounces, but the whipped yogurt is 5 ounces, in the same size container, so they are ripping people off 2 ounces, and saying it is a delight to your palate, and your taste buds will dance, and they do it with other products too, like peanut butter, and cream cheese.

To devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, for that is what it is all about concerning the world, all in attempt to exalt themselves.

And many who claim Christ join right in, and enjoy the same things as the world, which there is the prosperity Gospel, and preachers that have millions of dollars, and think God is blessing them.
 
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Miri

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Greedy not blessed, own efforts, not a blessing to others, continually
wanting more as no trust in God’s provision.
The story of the person who had plenty and decided to pull down his barns to
build bigger barns.


I would say fruitful can be physical or spiritual, blessed by God to be a blessing to
others. Recognise its from God, someone who knows how to handle blessings
wisely. Job


Job 1:1-3,8 NKJV
[1] There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil. [2] And seven sons and three daughters were born to him. [3] Also, his possessions were seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred female donkeys, and a very large household, so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the East. [8] Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"
 

Nehemiah6

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We have God’s commandment to be fruitful. Being fruitful under God means that you have more from your good efforts than what you started out with. How does that compare to being greedy? Doesn’t it amount to the same thing, some may ask?
Genesis 1:28 is primarily about reproducing the human race.

However, the Bible says that the laborer is worthy of his hire. So every person is entitled to a fair wage and a fair profit, and if God prospers someone to become wealthy, that wealth is meant to be invested in the Kingdom of God and in the salvation of souls.

Greed is evil in that it is a desire to selfishly acquire more and more of wealth and material luxuries, with no thought for anyone else. It is purely selfish. Money is not evil but neutral. It is THE LOVE OF MONEY (greed) which is the root of all evil. Were it not for greed, every human being would have a decent standard of living, and poverty would be non-existent.
 

Lanolin

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Does it depend on what you do with your goods. If you keep them all for yourself or you share them with others.

The interesting thing about Job was he was tested about his pride, so the devil actually took away all his goods. You can become prideful or self-righteous and brag about your personal wealth, theres always the danger.
A lot of extrememly wealthy people take a lower profile and help out charities in secret. They can be generous, if they choose to be, but sadly many wealthy people can also be extraordinarily stingy and mean towards those less well off. They show they love their money more than other people. GOd wants to correct that attitude. See letter from James.
 

newton3003

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Greed is tied to wanting more than you need and being unsatisfied with what you have. It has nothing to do with effort, or having more than you started with. You can have nothing or 'everything' and still be greedy.
You see greed as an attitude. I see it as the end result.

I don't agree that greed necessarily involves disadvantage to others.
Ezekiel 22:12 says, "...you take interest and profit and make gain of your neighbors by extortion; but me you have forgotten, declares the Lord God."

If that's not an example of greed, I don't know what is.
 

Dino246

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You see greed as an attitude. I see it as the end result.



Ezekiel 22:12 says, "...you take interest and profit and make gain of your neighbors by extortion; but me you have forgotten, declares the Lord God."

If that's not an example of greed, I don't know what is.
One example does not a definition make. :)
 

newton3003

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The interesting thing about Job was he was tested about his pride...
Job's faith in God was tested.

Job 1:8-12 says, "And the LORD said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?' Then Satan answered the LORD and said, 'Does Job fear God for no reason? Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.' And the LORD said to Satan, 'Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.'"

Had Job did what Satan said to God he would if what he had was taken from him, an argument could be made that Job was greedy at heart, but such is not the case here as many of us know from reading the rest of Job.