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john 4:29
29‘Come and see a man who told me everything I have ever done! He cannot be the Messiah,* can he?’
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The New Revised Standard Version (Anglicized Edition), copyright 1989, 1995 by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
oh yeah this a real good translation saying the Jesus cannot be the Messiah? NOT
So If Jesus was not the Messiah . let's find who the nrsv said that died for us :
john 3:16
16 ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
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The New Revised Standard Version (Anglicized Edition), copyright 1989, 1995 by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
so His only son died for us so let's see who the nrsv said that was :
Luke 3:38
38son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God.
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The New Revised Standard Version (Anglicized Edition), copyright 1989, 1995 by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
ok I get it now according to the nrsv and all other preversions that take the Word begotten out of john 3:16 , teaches that adam the first man was the one one died for us wow no theres nothing wrong with the new mordern translations there are just easier to understand!!! NOT
John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Pastor Keith,
I hope my last posting didn't come across as a put down to your posting. I am just soooo put out with all these so called "scriptures" that are coming out. The way they change things to suit their own purpose really bothers me. Yes we are all God's children, but there is only 1 who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
We all know, or should know that one is our Savior, Jesus.
Nothing anyone else says will change that.
I hope my last posting didn't come across as a put down to your posting. I am just soooo put out with all these so called "scriptures" that are coming out. The way they change things to suit their own purpose really bothers me. Yes we are all God's children, but there is only 1 who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
We all know, or should know that one is our Savior, Jesus.
Nothing anyone else says will change that.
B
Yeah. Thanks. Do note what I have emboldened in blue of your quote as well as te added verses below. Apparently Pilate understood Him well enough.
John 18: 37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. 39But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
How can Pilate whom had found no fault in Jesus be in an insulting mood?
Are you seeking to condemn all that do not agree with what you are reading? I am reading this plainly. You are reading it for the purpose of proving the Jews were not Israelites.... and yet where is the mentioning of the Isrealites as Israelites in all His ministry? All I am reading in regards to the people around Him are Jews.
Can you find a verse that declares that the Jews are the descendents of Esau? I do not want genealogies and the area where they had inhabitted, because others lived there in the area. I want a verse that says that the Jews were the descendents of Esau. How hard is that for God to put plainly in His Word without someone acting like he can connect the dots when it is all done by assumptions.
Understand what an accusation is. A charge of any kind to the political stability of the reign would be seen as a taunt but Jesus answered finally to the affirmative that He is a king to the satisfaction of Pilate that he called Him the King of the Jews.
The absence of references to the Israelites is apparent in the NT as distinction are being made between the Gentiles and the Jews..
Romans 3:29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Galatians 2: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
John 8: 31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
And yet the descendents of Esau had been borne of fornication as in outside the lineage of the Israelite people as well as for having more than one wives.
Genesis 36:1Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom. 2Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite; 3And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth.
That is how a Samaritan is called a Samaritan when a Jew intermingled outside the lineage. They are descendents of Jacob, but not considered a Jew. Do note how the woman addressed Jesus, and He did not correct her at all.
John 4:5Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. 6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. 7There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. 8(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) 9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Gentiles are the uncircumcision. Just because the area of Galilee was known as generally a Gentile populace, does not mean there were no Jews living there since we know that Jesus was circumcised. The fact that Israelites are not used as a distinction to defer from the uncircumcised should be enough for you to reconsider your source for this belief.
S
Groundhog,
While I do occasionally refer to the NIV and have looked at the TNIV, I have very little respect for their translation theory. The dynamic equivalence approach lends itself to way too much interpretation. They do not respect the actual grammar, syntax, and idiom of the original language. They have taken way too many liberties under the guise of making it easy to understand.
While I do occasionally refer to the NIV and have looked at the TNIV, I have very little respect for their translation theory. The dynamic equivalence approach lends itself to way too much interpretation. They do not respect the actual grammar, syntax, and idiom of the original language. They have taken way too many liberties under the guise of making it easy to understand.
Peace be to you
I find the biggest error in the scripture has to do with the trinity doctrine.If you read the whole bible many times,king James.Then read other translations many times.You will see a diff bible.The diff is mainly centered around Jesus christ
God threw revelation shows us the truth.There is no other way but revelation.If someone tells you who they are They are trying to change this scripture and lack understanding.There is only one who can reveal who God is.There is only one who can reveal who Jesus is.
math11
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Let go of man made teachings and let the scripture take effect.
Love a friend in God
I find the biggest error in the scripture has to do with the trinity doctrine.If you read the whole bible many times,king James.Then read other translations many times.You will see a diff bible.The diff is mainly centered around Jesus christ
God threw revelation shows us the truth.There is no other way but revelation.If someone tells you who they are They are trying to change this scripture and lack understanding.There is only one who can reveal who God is.There is only one who can reveal who Jesus is.
math11
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Let go of man made teachings and let the scripture take effect.
Love a friend in God
G
It seems to me that the TNIV is an improvement on the NIV. A good example would be John chapter 1, verse five. NIV says "but the darkness has not understood it," and the TNIV uses the better translation, "but the darkness has not overcome it." The TNIV got a bad rap because they chose to use gender-neutral language, but they only did this when the language used was being applied to everyone, such as in Genesis, where it reads "God created human beings in His image" instead of "God created man in his image" because the verse is referring to men and women. And I'm not sure what you mean about retaining the original grammar and syntax of the original language: those things often ought to be changed to fit the grammar and syntax of english, that's just how translations work. A literal, word-by-word translation would be confusing to the point of being unnecessary, even the most conservative translations rework the language to make it work in english. Not trying to criticize your statement, just wondering what exactly you mean.
One last point, for everybody. Remember that no translation is perfect. If you don't know Greek or Hebrew, the best thing to do is check a bible dictionary or some other reference that gives you an explanation on what a particular verse means, how many different ways it could be translated, and why it was translated a particular way, so that you can try to determine what the verse is trying to communicate. These documents were written thousands of years ago, and they will require explanation in order for the modern reader to fully understand them, not because they are difficult to understand, but because they are the product of a different time, and a full understanding requires that we figure out what the scripture meant to the original audience. It's the same reason why Shakespeare often needs explanation, and he was around less than 500 years ago, and he wrote in english! 2000 years from now, people will be debating what something written in 2009 actually meant.
One last point, for everybody. Remember that no translation is perfect. If you don't know Greek or Hebrew, the best thing to do is check a bible dictionary or some other reference that gives you an explanation on what a particular verse means, how many different ways it could be translated, and why it was translated a particular way, so that you can try to determine what the verse is trying to communicate. These documents were written thousands of years ago, and they will require explanation in order for the modern reader to fully understand them, not because they are difficult to understand, but because they are the product of a different time, and a full understanding requires that we figure out what the scripture meant to the original audience. It's the same reason why Shakespeare often needs explanation, and he was around less than 500 years ago, and he wrote in english! 2000 years from now, people will be debating what something written in 2009 actually meant.
S
Trinity is not a theory.
The term trinity is a theological term used to encapsulate what the Bible does teach about the godhead.
The term and characteristics of God/Deity are applied to the Father as well as to the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
All three are even spoken of by the term Yahweh (Jehovah) when looking at the OT and passages quoted in the NT.
The term trinity is a theological term used to encapsulate what the Bible does teach about the godhead.
The term and characteristics of God/Deity are applied to the Father as well as to the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
All three are even spoken of by the term Yahweh (Jehovah) when looking at the OT and passages quoted in the NT.
S
In some languages the adjectives are placed after the noun they describe but the gender and case show where they attach. In English we put such terms immediately in front of the noun.
To go from one language to another arranging such terms is fine. The function does not change, only the location of word order.
The NIV however is known to completely change the role of terms. They have taken verbs and made nouns (object of prepositional phrases), etc.
1 Timothy 2:8
(NIV) "I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing."
(ASV) "[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing.
While the above example may not mean much to some, it is an example of how cavalier they are.
The term PRAY in the 2nd version (ASV) is the main verb. But in the NIV they have made it into a noun and the object of a preposition. In turn they have made the lifting of hands as the main action instead of a participle accompanying the main verb.
The ASV is one of the most woodenly literal versions ever made, but it is perfectly understandable as is.
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To go from one language to another arranging such terms is fine. The function does not change, only the location of word order.
The NIV however is known to completely change the role of terms. They have taken verbs and made nouns (object of prepositional phrases), etc.
1 Timothy 2:8
(NIV) "I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing."
(ASV) "[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]I desire therefore that the men pray in every place, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and disputing.
While the above example may not mean much to some, it is an example of how cavalier they are.
The term PRAY in the 2nd version (ASV) is the main verb. But in the NIV they have made it into a noun and the object of a preposition. In turn they have made the lifting of hands as the main action instead of a participle accompanying the main verb.
The ASV is one of the most woodenly literal versions ever made, but it is perfectly understandable as is.
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