Biblical Inacurracies

[Astallia]

Hello Everyone,

I have recently finished a round-trip tour of the Bible, and have discovered some obvious mistakes. The mistakes are nothing more than penmanship, and authorship errors. However, due to the large quantity I have found, I have come to the conclusion that the Bible can not be the infallible Word of God. Emphasis is on "infallible". I will demonstrate a few to show my findings. These are from my KJV. I use a facsimile of the 1611 KJV to ensure they are also similar. That allows me to rule out this particular Bible, as the reason for the mistake.

Some are simple numerical issues. Forget a number here, and one there.

1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horseman."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horesman."

Some are about how to live.

Proverbs 26:4-5 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his conciet."

Some are about our faith.

2 Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

And one is about God. There are numerous sources and teachings that show that God is good. God cannot commit evil acts. But one chapter in Ezekiel has God speaking to Israel, and he says something odd.

Ezekiel 20:25 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."

My study bible offers no commentary on that particular verse. I have found that people believe that God "gave them into their own evil practices" but, to my knowledge, that does not agree with the Hebrew text.

I am wondering if I am alone in this discovery, and is it wrong or bad to say that the bible is not 100% accurate?
Thank you very much in advanced. God bless!

 

[Trax]

I am wondering if I am alone in this discovery, and is it wrong or bad to say that the bible is not 100% accurate?
Thank you very much in advanced. God bless!

No, you are not alone. I first read all these so called inacurracies and contradictions back in 1985.
Twenty-seven years ago. It never goes out of style.

 

[Astallia]

No, you are not alone. I first read all these so called inacurracies and contradictions back in 1985.
Twenty-seven years ago. It never goes out of style.

You say it like these are not mistakes. Am I misunderstanding you?

 

[carolineh]

you are being silly...why would you think that Solomon only ever had a certain number of horses and chariots and stalls when his men were constantly warring and dying or taking captives so the number would be constantly varying at different times...dont you live in the real world to work out what goes on?

 

[Trax]

You say it like these are not mistakes. Am I misunderstanding you?

Twenty-seven years ago, it was old news then. It seems that every new generation that sees this for
the first time, think they found something Christians don't know about yet. There are websites
that promote these things as errors and there are websites that address these things.
I don't bother to address them myself anymore, because the scene will repeat itself.
My response is, "its been around a long time, google it." Read what is out there and decide.
You'll see a lot more info surfing it, than you'll get in a forum.

 

[Abiding]

There have been what we call copy errors...all well known documented and corrected.
The amount of horses Solomon had really wont stumble your walk or mislead you.

Read deeper if you need to understand...such as the Eze passage...this is a judgement
Judgements are not blessings. Follow context...a verse cant stand alone.

your John reference is harder to explain without a deep teaching in context which i wont do but this is the gist:

Jesus was talking of assention and dessention because ,He was explaining He was bringing the mysteries of God because He originated
in Heaven.......No other man before him has accended to heaven....learned the mysteries of God then decended to earth
and revealed it to men.

OK? study is greatly rewarded....keep it up bro!

 

[Astallia]

Twenty-seven years ago, it was old news then. It seems that every new generation that sees this for
the first time, think they found something Christians don't know about yet. There are websites
that promote these things as errors and there are websites that address these things.
I don't bother to address them myself anymore, because the scene will repeat itself.
My response is, "its been around a long time, google it." Read what is out there and decide.
You'll see a lot more info surfing it, than you'll get in a forum.

Well, I don't know if your intending it, but I feel that you are being a little condescending. I only ask this here becsuse my pastor refuses to believe that the bible has errors. It doesn't really affect my walk, as much as my face-value reliance of the bible. As far as the websites that adress them, they mostly state that "x" or "y" are potential meanings, or that it was a miscopy. The quote from Matthew 27:9 is nowhere in Jeremiah. Ots in Zechariah. The verse is there, it was just wrote down wrong. I don't see how these can be interpreted as not being simple mistakes.

 

[carolineh]

you are being silly...why would you think that Solomon only ever had a certain number of horses and chariots and stalls when his men were constantly warring and dying or taking captives so the number would be constantly varying at different times...dont you live in the real world to work out what goes on?

the other quotes you use to undermine God's word are out of context and so need a great explanation of the context to vindicate His word...and that would take quite a refutation that is beyond the scope here...in the mean time...I will pray that God vindicate Himself and His great word here because you have warped and twisted and perverted it by pulling it completely out of context

 

[WolfInOxHide]

1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horseman."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horesman."

Probably penmanship, the key element here is the use of "four" along with "thousand."

Proverbs 26:4-5 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his conciet."

This addresses the intent behind answering a fool. One method compared to another. In essence the same idea as Ezekiel 14:4

2 Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Because we are mis-taught what "heaven" is and what "coming down from heaven" means. Therefore we think maybe Enoch or Elijah didn't "come down from heaven." It can happen later in life, i.e. Set Apart Spirit descending as a dove.

Ezekiel 20:25 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."

"Not good" from the perspective of those mentioned in the context, because of how they viewed and reacted to the statutes and judgments. A thief who continues and does not repent, finds the law and the judgement "not good"

All "contradictions" must be reconciled. Some are not willing to challenge what they have heard from others in order to do this. Some are not willing to see spiritually in addition to literally.

For example I saw a third party quote (disclaimer: not the poster's own words) in a recent thread that mentioned that spiritualizing the word "food" creates a huge problem. Er... not spiritualizing it is contradictory to what Y'Shua did when He broke it and said "this is my body."

The "word" is: the implementation of imagery. "Representation."
"A hammer that breaks the rock into pieces" (smaller and more numerous rocks!)
There is a physical meaning and a spiritual meaning, to every single word in scripture.
This is what "rightly dividing" the word means. Physical "rock" and the corresponding spiritual "rock" for example.

Peace!

 

[kenisyes]

1. The difference is clear in the Hebrew. Kings uses masc. plural, Chron. fem pl. One counts the stalls Solomon had (which were each as large as 10 regular stalls); the other counts the stalls they would have filled normally. This is from Hebrew Commentaries via Gill.

2. Prov 26:4 uses the verb "answer" in imperfect form, vs. 5 uses the imperative. The sense is, "if you start thinking like the fool, you will become like him, so answer him instead according to wisdom, so you can correct him."

3, There are layers of heaven, for Paul knows a man who visited the third heaven. In early christian lore, Jesus descends through 7 layers. Even in English, we know that the stars are not in the heaven where the throne of God is. They were different heavens, just as we use the word in English.

4. Torah is the Law of God, which is therefore good. The word in Ezek. is choqoq, which is man's interpretation of how the law is to observed. The point is God lets you misunderstand His word when you choose to leave Him. Read I Ki. 22 to see how the process unfolds in heaven, and absolves God of any lie.

You are not reading the Bible, but a translation of it. God is infinitely above what our languages can communicate. Even in the language of the people that He worked with for 1500 years to get it right, He had problems making our minds understand. When you change it to English, you will have even more problems.

Astallia, Gill lists several Jewish traditions that ascribe part of Zechariah's work to Jeremiah concerning your quote. We have to remember, the Catholics burned the Library at Alexandria, and we lost a lot of these kind of things that could settle such matters. I don't always agree with Gill spiritually, but you have to admit, he did his research.

 

[kenisyes]

wolfinoxhide, your response was not there when I started writing mine.

 

[RickyZ]

That's why I won't verse war here. I'd rather discuss ideas and concepts than jots and tittles. If you understand the ideas and concepts in context, the 'mistakes' no longer are.

 

[Astallia]

I don't know why I am being accused of undermining Gods word. All I stated was that I found, what I believe to be small mistakes. I never discredited the Word, only the fact that it was written by man, and therefore has some flaws. I really appreciate the help from kenisys. That is the detailed answers I have been serching for. Nothing stated here changes the Truth of the Word. Most textbooks contain small errors to some degree. You wouldn't take that and assume that the rest of the textbook is therefore invalid and untrue. I am also, making no such claim again the bible.

 

[Astallia]

the other quotes you use to undermine God's word are out of context and so need a great explanation of the context to vindicate His word...and that would take quite a refutation that is beyond the scope here...in the mean time...I will pray that God vindicate Himself and His great word here because you have warped and twisted and perverted it by pulling it completely out of context

I mean no offense, but I did not pull the verses out of context. If you don't believe me, read up on it yourself. Don't take my word for it. But unless you do the research on your own, please don't flaunt your blind faith.

 

[angelofmercy]

Hello Everyone,

I have recently finished a round-trip tour of the Bible, and have discovered some obvious mistakes. The mistakes are nothing more than penmanship, and authorship errors. However, due to the large quantity I have found, I have come to the conclusion that the Bible can not be the infallible Word of God. Emphasis is on "infallible". I will demonstrate a few to show my findings. These are from my KJV. I use a facsimile of the 1611 KJV to ensure they are also similar. That allows me to rule out this particular Bible, as the reason for the mistake.

Some are simple numerical issues. Forget a number here, and one there.

1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horseman."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horesman."

Some are about how to live.

Proverbs 26:4-5 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his conciet."


Some are about our faith.

2 Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

And one is about God. There are numerous sources and teachings that show that God is good. God cannot commit evil acts. But one chapter in Ezekiel has God speaking to Israel, and he says something odd.

Ezekiel 20:25 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."

My study bible offers no commentary on that particular verse. I have found that people believe that God "gave them into their own evil practices" but, to my knowledge, that does not agree with the Hebrew text.

I am wondering if I am alone in this discovery, and is it wrong or bad to say that the bible is not 100% accurate?
Thank you very much in advanced. God bless!

It depends on your understanding. YHWH created both good and evil to serve His purpose.

No man (of the flesh) can enter heaven except those (spirits quickened) whom came from heaven.

 

[cookie39]

Hello Everyone,

I have recently finished a round-trip tour of the Bible, and have discovered some obvious mistakes. The mistakes are nothing more than penmanship, and authorship errors. However, due to the large quantity I have found, I have come to the conclusion that the Bible can not be the infallible Word of God. Emphasis is on "infallible". I will demonstrate a few to show my findings. These are from my KJV. I use a facsimile of the 1611 KJV to ensure they are also similar. That allows me to rule out this particular Bible, as the reason for the mistake.

Some are simple numerical issues. Forget a number here, and one there.

1 Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horseman."
2 Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horesman."

Some are about how to live.

Proverbs 26:4-5 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his conciet."

Some are about our faith.

2 Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

And one is about God. There are numerous sources and teachings that show that God is good. God cannot commit evil acts. But one chapter in Ezekiel has God speaking to Israel, and he says something odd.

Ezekiel 20:25 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live."
Here you have taken this verse out of the context it was written, God is pronouncing JUDGMENT upon Israel, He is saying that if this is what they want to do, then this is what he will move out the way and allow them to do...... read what he said before and after..... I thank God that He has blessed me with the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me in all truths that are in the way of the one true God, and not in the way of man's understanding.......

My study bible offers no commentary on that particular verse. I have found that people believe that God "gave them into their own evil practices" but, to my knowledge, that does not agree with the Hebrew text.

You would not need a study bible or a commentary if you had the Holy Spirit and trusted Him to teach you, to close your fleshly eyes and open your spiritual ones that you may hear what the Lord God have to say "" ABOUT THE LORD GOD"" . there is absolutely not one contradiction in the bible, just that you do not have spiritual understanding of a Spiritual GOD...... only God can give us that, not ourselves.

I am wondering if I am alone in this discovery, and is it wrong or bad to say that the bible is not 100% accurate?
Thank you very much in advanced. God bless!

As I see that you have not discovered anything but that you are to carnally minded to take your time and allow the Spirit of God to walk you through His Holy Word. no matter how you read the bible, rather it be with commentaries, study bibles, a 20 year scholar, a bible dictionary, or a very good concordance..... not one or all together can give you revelation understand, spiritual enlightment and knowledge that only Jesus Christ our God through the power of the Holy Spirit can give to us........... TRY HIM, HE WILL TRULY BLESS YOU WITH HIS WORD

 

[cfultz3]

Pro 26:4 [33:4] μηG3165 ADV - (not) αποκρινουV-PMD-2S - (you should make yourself respond (middle voice)) αφρονιG878 A-DSM - (unto a fool) προςG4314 PREP - (based on) τηνG3588 T-ASF - (the + folly) εκεινουG1565 D-GSM - (that one's) αφροσυνηνG877 N-ASF - (folly (foolishness)) ιναG2443 CONJ - (so that) μηG3165 ADV - (not) ομοιοςG3664 A-NSM - (like) γενηG1096 V-AMS-2S - (you would have made yourself (middle voice)) αυτωG846 D-DSM - (him)

Pro 26:5 [33:5] αλλαG235 CONJ - (but rather) αποκρινουV-PMD-2S - (you should make yourself respond (middle voice)) αφρονιG878 A-DSM - (unto a fool) καταG2596 PREP - (according to (about)) τηνG3588 T-ASF αφροσυνηνG877 N-ASF - (the folly (foolishness)) αυτουG846 D-GSM - (his) ιναG2443 CONJ - (so that) μηG3165 ADV - (not) φαινηταιG5316 V-PMS-3S - (he would show himself to be (middle voice)) σοφοςG4680 A-NSM - (wise) παρG3844 PREP - (in the sight of) εαυτωG1438 D-DSM - (in his own)

Proverbs 26:4-6 You should not make yourself respond to a fool based on that one's folly (foolishness) so that you would not have made yourself like him. But rather, you should make yourself respond to a fool according to (about) his folly (foolishness) so that he would not show himself to be wise in his own sight.

What this tells us that we should not respond in like manner to a fool's silliness, that would make us no better then he in his nonsense. But, that we should address that foolishness so that he would not have a false air of wisdom. Hope this clears this verse up for you.

 

[Ugly]

you are being silly...why would you think that Solomon only ever had a certain number of horses and chariots and stalls when his men were constantly warring and dying or taking captives so the number would be constantly varying at different times...dont you live in the real world to work out what goes on?

Needlessly rude about it? He's here asking about things he doesn't understand, is it really pertinent to insult him for looking for answers?

the other quotes you use to undermine God's word are out of context and so need a great explanation of the context to vindicate His word...and that would take quite a refutation that is beyond the scope here...in the mean time...I will pray that God vindicate Himself and His great word here because you have warped and twisted and perverted it by pulling it completely out of context

More insults and now accusations as well. Here someone is looking for answers and you make them out to be doing wrong. You ever stop to think maybe he's just looking for answers? Maybe rather than insult him, try to help him.

 

[Trax]

Well, I don't know if your intending it, but I feel that you are being a little condescending. I only ask this here becsuse my pastor refuses to believe that the bible has errors. It doesn't really affect my walk, as much as my face-value reliance of the bible. As far as the websites that adress them, they mostly state that "x" or "y" are potential meanings, or that it was a miscopy. The quote from Matthew 27:9 is nowhere in Jeremiah. Ots in Zechariah. The verse is there, it was just wrote down wrong. I don't see how these can be interpreted as not being simple mistakes.

Like I said, its REAL OLD news. Websites have been created just to present this information.
Books have been written. In fact, it took me all of 30 seconds to hop on Barnes&Noble website
and type "Errors in the Bible" and got 63 matches. Anyone who puts forth the slightest effort
to find info on errors in the Bible, will trip over them. A lot of people have put forth a lot of their time
studying on this topic and compiling information. Well, no one is going to get that much detailed
information in a forum. But rarely does anyone go look.

 

[carolineh]

Needlessly rude about it? He's here asking about things he doesn't understand, is it really pertinent to insult him for looking for answers?



More insults and now accusations as well. Here someone is looking for answers and you make them out to be doing wrong. You ever stop to think maybe he's just looking for answers? Maybe rather than insult him, try to help him.

he insults the word of God by pulling it out of context and then when others have put it back into context for him, he continues to say that Gods word is showing contradictions..he lied when he said he did not take the verses out of context..ok go ahead and defend someone who lies aboujt mutilating Gods word by pulling it out of context and rebuke someone who tries to set him straight...says a lot about you