Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[Guojing]

I would consider that as a suggestion but I'll be more interested to hear or read your view regarding this matter as I have done.

Thanks and God bless.

Dunno why you are so reluctant to state your stand clearly. I have responded to this thread about my stand before but I dunno how to search for that particular post.

Basically there is no more unforgivable sin in the dispensation of grace. The only sin that is unforgivable, that will send someone to hell, is the sin of rejecting Jesus as your sin substitute, and that happens to be the only sin the Holy Spirit will ever convict a non believer of.

 

[corazondeldei]

Dunno why you are so reluctant to state your stand clearly. I have responded to this thread about my stand before but I dunno how to search for that particular post.

Basically there is no more unforgivable sin in the dispensation of grace. The only sin that is unforgivable, that will send someone to hell, is the sin of rejecting Jesus as your sin substitute, and that happens to be the only sin the Holy Spirit will ever convict a non believer of.

Thank you for stating your view.

As I have stated in my previous post, I don't want to go beyond what is written. If Jesus said it then I would believe it.

God sees our heart. If you are a true believer and you have known from scripture or someone told you that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable then you would do your best to avoid this otherwise it will apply to you. If you have done it out of ignorance and later found out your mistake then as I said, God is loving, merciful and forgiving. I can't disregard His rightful judgment and go beyond what is written. I leave judgment to God.

NIV1984 Ezekiel 3:18-21
When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

NIV1984 Hebrews 10:26-27
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

NIV1984 Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

NIV1984 2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

 

[Guojing]

Thank you for stating your view.

As I have stated in my previous post, I don't want to go beyond what is written. If Jesus said it then I would believe it.

God sees our heart. If you are a true believer and you have known from scripture or someone told you that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable then you would do your best to avoid this otherwise it will apply to you. If you have done it out of ignorance and later found out your mistake then as I said, God is loving, merciful and forgiving. I can't disregard His rightful judgment and go beyond what is written. I leave judgment to God.

NIV1984 2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

In that case, I don’t understand why you don’t respond with an unequivocal Yes, Anyone, even Christians who commits that sin will never be forgiven by God.

My guess Is that the Holy Spirit inside you is prompting you with, hmm that does not feel right, that is why you prefer to leave your stand ambiguous?

 

[notuptome]

In that case, I don’t understand why you don’t respond with an unequivocal Yes, Anyone, even Christians who commits that sin will never be forgiven by God.

My guess Is that the Holy Spirit inside you is prompting you with, hmm that does not feel right, that is why you prefer to leave your stand ambiguous?

Just what gospel did you receive? What could possibly make you think that a new creature in Christ could ever come once again into condemnation?

Do you believe what the bible says is true and unchangeable? It would appear that you confuse being religious with being a Christian.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Guojing]

Just what gospel did you receive? What could possibly make you think that a new creature in Christ could ever come once again into condemnation?

Do you believe what the bible says is true and unchangeable? It would appear that you confuse being religious with being a Christian.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I was trying to help the other guy clarify his stand.

But Are you saying you believe that there are unforgivable sins a Christian can commit?

 

[garee]

In that case, I don’t understand why you don’t respond with an unequivocal Yes, Anyone, even Christians who commits that sin will never be forgiven by God.

My guess Is that the Holy Spirit inside you is prompting you with, hmm that does not feel right, that is why you prefer to leave your stand ambiguous?

If Christ has paid the wage of sin we will not come into judgment .The final judgment of execution of the verdict (not this you do this or that you did not). Men love darkness.

When a new creature denies Christ by sinning he cannot deny he has paid the wage in full (impossible.) or no one could be saved to begin with

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

We are to do the good works we offer towards His name without murmuring and complaining ; what about them ?

 

[corazondeldei]

In that case, I don’t understand why you don’t respond with an unequivocal Yes, Anyone, even Christians who commits that sin will never be forgiven by God.

My guess Is that the Holy Spirit inside you is prompting you with, hmm that does not feel right, that is why you prefer to leave your stand ambiguous?

NIV1984 Ezekiel 3:18-21
When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

The judge has spoken.

NIV1984 John 12:44-50
Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

You can always reject my words but do not reject His WORD...Please!

 

[notuptome]

I was trying to help the other guy clarify his stand.

But Are you saying you believe that there are unforgivable sins a Christian can commit?

That is what you were saying not me. I am saying a true born again believer can never be brought into condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good morning bro. You have said that we have to stick to the WORD and I also believe that we DON'T have to go beyond what is written(1 Corinthians 4:6).

We know that God is a loving and forgiving God who fulfils His every word and promises. The only problem I see regarding God's forgiveness of the blasphemy is for those unrepentant and DISOBEDIENT people who think that by believing ALONE in that very moment, they were saved and are always saved. That their sins in the past , present and future were all forgiven so they find no need to repent and ask for forgiveness anymore and therefore changing the grace of our God into a license for immorality.

Jesus told the church in Sardis to remember what they have heard and received and to repent and OBEY it because He has not found their deeds complete in the sight of God. Do you think that these people Jesus was referring to have not yet repented and obeyed God? Of course not. And this is the reason why we need to continue and stand firm in our FAITH to the end. We have to ask for forgiveness to the Father as Jesus has taught us in the Lords prayer and FORGIVE those who sinned against us. And if we have committed blasphemy to the Holy Spirit which is said to be unforgivable, if we truly believe in a loving, merciful and forgiving God, then we have to repent and ask for His forgiveness, OBEY His commands, turn away from our wicked life and walk in His Way, as we patiently and eagerly await our Savior from heaven, Jesus Christ our Lord.

THERE IS A JUDGMENT DAY AND A JUDGE.

God's Mercy will triumph over judgment.
Glory be to God. Amen.

NIV1984 Ezekiel 3:18-21
When I say to a wicked man, ‘YOU WILL SURELY DIE,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to DISSUADE HIM FROM HIS EVIL WAYS in order to SAVE his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you ACCOUNTABLE for his blood. But if you do WARN the wicked man and he DOES NOT TURN from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man NOT TO SIN and he does not sin, HE WILL SURELY LIVE because HE TOOK WARNING, and you will have saved yourself.”

Once again

JESUS said THIS PARTICULAR FORM OF BLASPHEMY shall NEVER BE FORGIVEN, EVER

So you responding by sayin git is not for us to decide if God will forgive or not is not applicable

JESUS SAID NEVER,

So, is the OP right? Meaning that person has no hope of forgiveness. Or is the op wrong

The question is not about tongues or lack of tongues, the question is is he right about this so called sin (unforgivable)?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So when do you think knowledge will cease and what does it mean knowledge will cease or how will be the situation after knowledge ceases?

when we see face to face instead of through a dark glass

interesting you chose the dark sun glass smiley

perhaps prophetic in your case?

 

[Noose]

when we see face to face instead of through a dark glass

interesting you chose the dark sun glass smiley

perhaps prophetic in your case?

Ok, so that time, when Jesus comes back, people will be like zombies with no knowledge at all?!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

NIV1984 Ezekiel 3:18-21
When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

The judge has spoken.

NIV1984 John 12:44-50
Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

You can always reject my words but do not reject His WORD...Please!

you know, this is the thread of someone who takes the words of Christ seriously as do I

this is my view on the op's question from my post 18 on the first page of this thread

Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin’ — for they were saying, ‘He has an unclean spirit. Mark 3: 28-30

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven Luke 12:10

so what would that be?

doing some research, it appears that some denoms believe it is impossible for a Christian to commit this blasphemy as they are convinced within themselves that it only applied to Jesus addressing those who said He did what He did by the power of a demon

this, is of course quite a popular conclusion and these same denoms will tell you that the only unforgivable sin is dying in unbelief.

however, it should be noted that Jesus, for some odd reason that seems to have escaped the popular conclusion, referred the sin of blasphemy to an accusation against the Holy Spirit and not Himself

again, with reference to Luke above, Jesus says that every word spoken against Himself will be forgiven BUT the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. so yes, while Jesus has ascended, the Holy Spirit has descended and He is on earth, now, and the recipient of some very choice words that seem to deny His presence and power

blasphemy is attributing the works of the Spirit of God to the devil. context in both references indicate that to be so

my personal conclusion is that I am at a point in life that I believe people will be convinced of what is in their own heart by the very Spirit they either accept or reject

I would also state that if you are worried about it you probably have not committed such a sin

if you attest what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil and or demons, I tend to lean towards believing Jesus when He said not to do that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I don't think it can be plainer

if you sin against the Holy Spirit, you commit blasphemy. is this one time? or multiple times? Bible does not say

personally, I think it would be a continual rejection of Him and attributing what He does to the devil...there are well known so called teachers of the Bible that actually do that

I don't think it means if you reject Jesus you blaspheme.

is that what Jesus said? NO. that is NOT what He said. He said if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and attribute His works to the devil, it will not be forgiven

I am going with what Jesus said and all the twisting in the world and the re-translating in the world and all the gobble de gook that tries to swing it another way or people who cannot accept the words of Christ trying to tell others they are wrong or hounding them to try and make them say what they will not say and don't have to say, makes no difference

Jesus said what He said. I believe what He said.

people are wishy washy and don't like hard words or facts. sorry. the Bible is really all about that sort of thing

 

[7seasrekeyed]

it should also be noted that the op was asking a question

he did not reach conclusively for every person what their thoughts should be

he didn't tell anyone what they should think or believe

he asked a question

so, we are all free to believe what Jesus said or not. we should not be bullying people or hounding people

probably most people would be a little more careful of what they say about the Holy Spirit then coming out and saying His acts are demonic

this is not the judgement seat and there are no judges here

 

[notuptome]

I don't think it can be plainer

if you sin against the Holy Spirit, you commit blasphemy. is this one time? or multiple times? Bible does not say

personally, I think it would be a continual rejection of Him and attributing what He does to the devil...there are well known so called teachers of the Bible that actually do that

I don't think it means if you reject Jesus you blaspheme.

is that what Jesus said? NO. that is NOT what He said. He said if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and attribute His works to the devil, it will not be forgiven

I am going with what Jesus said and all the twisting in the world and the re-translating in the world and all the gobble de gook that tries to swing it another way or people who cannot accept the words of Christ trying to tell others they are wrong or hounding them to try and make them say what they will not say and don't have to say, makes no difference

Jesus said what He said. I believe what He said.

people are wishy washy and don't like hard words or facts. sorry. the Bible is really all about that sort of thing

Only those who are religious and not born again blood bought believers can commit the sin of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. Those who accuse others of this sin are closest to the edge. The indwelling Holy Spirit does not accuse other believers of this sin. You will know them by the fruit of the Holy Spirit evident in their life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

"corazondeldei, post: 3912673,

God sees our heart. If you are a true believer and you have known from scripture or someone told you that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable then you would do your best to avoid this otherwise it will apply to you. If you have done it out of ignorance and later found out your mistake then as I said, God is loving, merciful and forgiving. I can't disregard His rightful judgment and go beyond what is written. I leave judgment to God.

I agree. Amen

 

[notuptome]

"corazondeldei, post: 3912673,






I agree. Amen

Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I'm going with scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[TooFastTurtle]

I have an entire list from 90 A.D. - 250 A.D. of those we consider church fathers. Even the COUNCIL who put our Canon together Spoke in Tongues.

The BIBLE you read, was assembled by TONGUE SPEAKERS in the 4th Century!!

Could you provide me this list? Would be very interesting to read that. Great proof for continuation of the gifts.

Not that we need it, the BIBLE is clear that the gifts will continue until Jesus Christ comes back. But extra-biblical evidence is also good

 

[TooFastTurtle]

Don't buy apples, they are all rotten. I bought one apple once and it was rotten. Thats how I know they are all rotten.

 

[notuptome]

Could you provide me this list? Would be very interesting to read that. Great proof for continuation of the gifts.

Not that we need it, the BIBLE is clear that the gifts will continue until Jesus Christ comes back. But extra-biblical evidence is also good

The bible does not say when the Perfect comes again. Jesus is not the object perfect in 1 Cor 13. Perfect in the context is complete and the word perfect is just a carryover from the old English. Only three gifts ended not all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger