Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[7seasrekeyed]

MadHermit
Junior Member
May 8, 201834112643
Today at 10:56 AM
#75
"In our Gospels the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit was committed by attributing Jesus' exorcisms to demonic power. But hw might that sin be committed today? In the NT church the sin was committed by refusing to acknowledge divinely sanctioned prophetic gifts (See Didache 11). Indeed, that was the unanimous interpretion of the sin in the first 2 centuries. So today, so called Christians who attribute the ECSTATIC spiritual gifts to Satan are in real danger of committing this sin!"


So the people who en mass perform these types of behavior THINK they are exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Mr. Hermit, as you can see above, says that if we attribute those "gifts" and that behavior to a DIFFERENT spirit we are in real danger of blaspheming the H. S.

I don't read Didache so dunno

not sure why he refers to 'ecstatic' spiritual gifts...does he mean all or only certain ones? don't know that either

there is also discernment of spirits...that has to be there for a reason...

I would think

maybe he can clarify better

 

[stonesoffire]

I know what that word means, What does that have to do with what sends a person to hell??

We were speaking here about minimizing the power of Holy Spirit. Despise translates to several things, and this is one of them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We were speaking here about minimizing the power of Holy Spirit. Despise translates to several things, and this is one of them.

I am not speaking of this sis. No wonder I am confused lol

I am talking about the OP. And what he said (trying to stay on the topic instead of getting off topic like many did earlier)

 

[stonesoffire]

I think.

I am talking about this thread, Not all blasphemies

The OP of this thread made a statement that whoever THINKS ALL tongues are denomic has commited the one blasphemy that is unforgivable.

Is this true, If I think ALL tongues are demonic. Am I doomed to hell forever with no hope of salvation, even if I repented later and believed that some tongues are valid?

I think...😉 That you should never think this nor speak it. That would be saying we all have an unclean spirit, which that scripture in my post states that is what the Jews were saying about Jesus.
I can't judge who goes to hell.

 

[stonesoffire]

I am not speaking of this sis. No wonder I am confused lol

I am talking about the OP. And what he said (trying to stay on the topic instead of getting off topic like many did earlier)

I have to go again. Send me a pm, and we can straighten this out there. Ok?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

We were speaking here about minimizing the power of Holy Spirit. Despise translates to several things, and this is one of them.

I think that one thing that bothers alot of people is perhaps being stirred to dance a little or maybe clap their hands or raise their arms or maybe shout out 'praise God!'

it can be so undignified. I mean look what happened to David..uh oh...look what happened to his wife who turned her nose up at it

come to think of it, maybe that fits right in attributing what is of God to 'something else'

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think...😉 That you should never think this nor speak it. That would be saying we all have an unclean spirit, which that scripture in my post states that is what the Jews were saying about Jesus.
I can't judge who goes to hell.

Well I do not do what the OP said anyway so I am not really worried..lol

But Once again sis

If I say all tongues is demonic, like the op said, am I blasphemeing the HS? (Th unforgivable sin)

Remembering, that if I am, and later repent, I am still lost forever. Because I have committed the unforgivable sin. (By definition) which will never be forgiven, in any age

I am not saying anything about tongues, I am asking, Is that a true statement?

 

[RickyZ]

1 Cor 13:
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Let's assume the gifts are still applicable today. As per the above passage, when do you think these gifts will cease so that only hope, faith and love remain?

When Christ returns and restores the fallen world to it's pre-fallen state.

ie, healing will cease when people stop becoming sick.

 

[RickyZ]

chalk up another victory for the Dispys!

I hate when the search for truth becomes a competition to win.

 

[RickyZ]

I defy anyone to watch this video and attribute what is going on is from the Lord. Skip around. It only gets worse and there are tons more of this type of stuff you can see.

If you watch nothing else of it, watch the 10th minute

You know, I don't watch these kinds of videos. I don't believe the Holy Spirit is down for acting for a camera. You are probably right, this is probably faked. It's about bringing the power of God to the hearts of people, not putting on a dog and pony show.

I HATE this kind of stuff. Because it gives the cessies ammo that frankly, 9 out of 10 times they are right about.

BUT ... again ... would satan go to so much trouble to produce such fakery if there wasn't a truth to be hidden???

And really it's off topic. This is about blaspheme.

 

[RickyZ]

In fact, I have NEVER seen people trying to claim God's power is from the Adversary ...

Noose did it in this very thread. Blatantly.

 

[RickyZ]

I hear ya............the bible is one of the most embellished and or chopped up books in history........as a matter of fact I fully expect a version with removable pages and or embellished quotes to become a hot seller at some point if time keeps on marching on.....

So you've seen the MRV!

 

[RickyZ]

Greater works involve raising the dead. Can people raise the dead today?

Well, I was a firefighter/emt for 35 years. We were on scene of a heart attack, a middle aged man. We'd followed every protocol and then some and were about to pronounce him per policy. But, since he was leaving behind a family, we decided to give it one more try. I quickly put my hand on his chest and said, in english, to myself (or so I thought) in Jesus Name be healed. We zapped him and he converted into a nice sinus rhythm. The firefighter next to me whispered God is amazing isn't He.

Did we bring him back from the dead? I don't know. I know if we followed policy we would have pronounce him dead. I know the Bible says where two or more are gathered... and that Tim having overheard my whisper, would have said an amen.

In the words of the Mythbusters, I have to say it's plausible.

 

[RickyZ]

Hey understand, I don't think the gifts have ceased, but Mr. Hermit said that to say this stuff is not from the lord, cause remember, these guys are supposedly exercising their gifts, comes close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So I didn't bring it up. I'm just responding to the fact a BIG chunk of it is DEFINITELY NOT from the Lord. And there is PLENTY of even worse contemporary shenanigans in the guise of the Holy Spirit out there today.

If something is not of God, and you say so, that is not blaspheme. That's exposing the truth.

Yes there are even plenty worse shenanigans out there. They do need to be exposed.

This is about those who say ALL gifts have ceased and ALL manifestations are of satan. Even among cessationists that's a very small pool.

But they do exist. We have one openly admitting it in this thread.

 

[RickyZ]

not sure what post of hermits you are referring to? are you sure he even means the type of histrionic behavior we see in these types of videos?

I sure know about the fake stuff. I was once dragged along to a church where 'anything went'

saw one man actually climbing a pole (roof support) in the church and everyone was just carrying on like they were on the bad end of an exposed electrical wire

I've seen alot but it just makes what is true stand out even more

a particular behavior I really don't like is when people line up to supposedly 'hear' a word from God from the preacher

I do believe sometimes someone might have something to pass on, but that type of atmosphere just begs for abuse IMO

I could go on...but I'm sure you get the picture LOL!

perhaps you could refer me to what hermit said?

I always like it when the prophesy is 60 seconds long, but the interpretation goes on for 20 minutes!

smh

 

[RickyZ]

MadHermit
Junior Member
May 8, 201834112643
Today at 10:56 AM
#75
"In our Gospels the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit was committed by attributing Jesus' exorcisms to demonic power. But hw might that sin be committed today? In the NT church the sin was committed by refusing to acknowledge divinely sanctioned prophetic gifts (See Didache 11). Indeed, that was the unanimous interpretion of the sin in the first 2 centuries. So today, so called Christians who attribute the ECSTATIC spiritual gifts to Satan are in real danger of committing this sin!"


So the people who en mass perform these types of behavior THINK they are exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Mr. Hermit, as you can see above, says that if we attribute those "gifts" and that behavior to a DIFFERENT spirit we are in real danger of blaspheming the H. S.

What matters, what they think or the truth?

 

[RickyZ]

I think...😉 That you should never think this nor speak it. That would be saying we all have an unclean spirit, which that scripture in my post states that is what the Jews were saying about Jesus.
I can't judge who goes to hell.

Personally, no matter how strongly I believe in a subject, being a failed human I always leave at least 10% doubt that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I would think that if everyone did the same, no one would be in danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, intentionally or otherwise.

 

[RickyZ]

And that's a good point; we must always ask ourselves what if I'm wrong? If gifts really have ceased, then I've made a fool of myself, which God has overlooked and responded to anyway on numerous occasions. But if you say they have ceased and they have not ... where does that leave you?

 

[Noose]

Well, I was a firefighter/emt for 35 years. We were on scene of a heart attack, a middle aged man. We'd followed every protocol and then some and were about to pronounce him per policy. But, since he was leaving behind a family, we decided to give it one more try. I quickly put my hand on his chest and said, in english, to myself (or so I thought) in Jesus Name be healed. We zapped him and he converted into a nice sinus rhythm. The firefighter next to me whispered God is amazing isn't He.

Did we bring him back from the dead? I don't know. I know if we followed policy we would have pronounce him dead. I know the Bible says where two or more are gathered... and that Tim having overheard my whisper, would have said an amen.

In the words of the Mythbusters, I have to say it's plausible.

Nope. That happens in hospitals every day where two or three doctors are gathered.
God works miracles, miracles have no limits;consider Lazarus, he was dead for 3 days and his body had started to decay. Or, someone has died like for 10 years, only bones and hair remain- can God resurrect such a person? Yes of course but are there people gifted to do such? No.

 

[Noose]

When Christ returns and restores the fallen world to it's pre-fallen state.

ie, healing will cease when people stop becoming sick.

Consider everything that Paul said including "..these three remain; hope, faith and love.."
Now, if Christ returns and people still hope, what will they be hoping for? if people will still be having faith when Christ returns, what kind of faith, is it the faith unto salvation still? and where people hope and have faith, they will be praying for salvation and whatever they hope so, so how can the prayer language cease when people need it the most?