BOAST IN GOD’S GRACE FOR YOU

[Grace777x70]

All one has to do is read what is in the OP and how the beauty of our Lord Jesus is being lifted up ...and then see the "spirit" ( attitude ) behind some of the responses to the OP and that will answer a lot of questions.....you will know them by their fruits.

The false accusations will continue..as they give false twisted statements that are against the message of the wonderful grace of Christ in His finished work on our behalf. They will speak these accusations as if they are true but it is just false accusations as usual..and it is really sad as they are fighting against the Spirit of grace......"kicking against the goads"...but hey....we have all done that in our lives. Thank God for His marvelous grace and love towards us! He is faithful!

Ok...now to check out all the prophets in CC...who is going to win the Superbowl?.....

 

[crossnote]

Many put their emphasis on seeking the gifts rather than the Gift Giver.
Many now are exalting grace almost to the exclusion of the Source of all grace...Jesus.
Keep making the substitution and you have erected a doctrinal idol.

 

[Blain]

They lie and twist scripture. They have the audacity to rip out some of Jesus' words and claim they aren't for new covenant believers. Only satan does that.

Ya I have heard some on here say this but this doesn't explain to me how they do this or what hyper grace really is.

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 15:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore in Christ Jesus I have found reason for boasting in things pertaining to God.

 

[PeterJens]

Ya I have heard some on here say this but this doesn't explain to me how they do this or what hyper grace really is.

Hyper-grace is taking the extreme version of redemption of mankind through Jesus death and applying this to everyone irrespective of faith.
Overlaid is a gnostic idea of a new spirit heart which is perfect and holy and pure while the flesh or body is weak.
Rather than being transformed you walk in the spirit, realising the reality of your position in christ.

Good works then become a focus of reality, so only good works in Christ matter.
Everything outside their view becomes legalism and trying to earn salvation, evil.

Rather than discussing the reality of how people can be saved and still walk in sin, real open obvious sin, scripture is continuously miss-applied and changed to fit their health, wealth agenda.

It becomes very annoying to not answer their moral and theological flaw, while claiming scripture supports their position when clearly it does not. If you want to see the fruit of this theology, the roman catholic church is it.

This is why the idea of condemning religion while linking up with the very example of christian religion shows their blatent hypocracy.

 

[BenFTW]

No it's 'clouded' by my understanding of Scripture.

I second that, your understanding of scripture does cloud your judgement. lol

PS: I'm sorry, this witty response couldn't be held back by self control.

 

[BenFTW]

Hyper..is a name that Dr. Brown came up with concerning some aspects of the teaching of the grace of Christ that "conflicted" with his beliefs.

This whole thing is like the debate between those that believe in speaking in tongues and those that don't. Both sides see it differently and of course some in the camp that doesn't believe in the gifts of the Spirit say those "tongue talkers" are of the devil and are false teachers...etc..etc......it's the nature of the beast.

I see him as sincerely wrong. If you hear his story on how it came about (his book), he was just making a call to holy living (on FB) and got backlash from certain people. This stirred him to address "hyper-grace" as some people seemed like they were opposed to living holy and used grace as an excuse.

Sincere, but wrong. At least because of his book God's grace is being discussed and Jesus exalted.

 

[BenFTW]

Hyper-grace is taking the extreme version of redemption of mankind through Jesus death and applying this to everyone irrespective of faith.
Overlaid is a gnostic idea of a new spirit heart which is perfect and holy and pure while the flesh or body is weak.
Rather than being transformed you walk in the spirit, realising the reality of your position in christ.

Good works then become a focus of reality, so only good works in Christ matter.
Everything outside their view becomes legalism and trying to earn salvation, evil.

Rather than discussing the reality of how people can be saved and still walk in sin, real open obvious sin, scripture is continuously miss-applied and changed to fit their health, wealth agenda.

It becomes very annoying to not answer their moral and theological flaw, while claiming scripture supports their position when clearly it does not. If you want to see the fruit of this theology, the roman catholic church is it.

This is why the idea of condemning religion while linking up with the very example of christian religion shows their blatent hypocracy.

That is Universalism, not the Gospel of Grace. Hyper-grace always exalts Jesus, and Jesus is the only way to be redeemed and reconciled to God. You won't hear a grace preacher say otherwise.

 

[BenFTW]

Ya I have heard some on here say this but this doesn't explain to me how they do this or what hyper grace really is.

The problem is that some people wish to take Jesus' words towards people under the law (and its requirements) and place them on people under a completely different covenant not based upon self merit but Jesus Christ alone (grace and faith). Jesus said to cut off your hand or gouge out your eye, for example, to drive the point home that perfection is required to enter Heaven. Can this be said to a person under the new covenant? Of course not, such a person is righteous by faith and not deed. So it cannot be applied to a believer. Is this erasing the words of Jesus? No, it is putting them in context and in a proper time line.

 

[BenFTW]

I just want to understand this hyper grace issue, is the issue that grace is so deep and so abound that we can never out sin his grace? and does it tie into the whole osas issue? I mean I just don't understand what about hyper grace makes people so argumentive

It attacks people's self worth and so they fight against it because they want something to boast in. Humility is sort of required in believing in the Gospel because you're saying you are inadequate to save yourself and Jesus is your Savior. So in that respect when grace is spoken of, merit goes out the door. This also tosses pride out as well, and people can be proud.

They've fasted forty days, read their bible every day, done good to the poor, and done all these righteous acts but in terms of salvation it merits them nothing. It is Christ, and Him alone that saves. This truth being shared opposes people's religious upbringing, and Legalism and tears down the walls of self-sufficiency in order to grasp that no man goes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

The reason grace is opposed isn't linear. It isn't always pride, but hurt/pain. Certain situations in a person's life have made them accept particular doctrines. These doctrines are false and give leeway to the enemy to toss darts of fire, and throw heaps of condemnation on people. To attack their security in an all loving Heavenly Father and gracious Savior.

Its sad really and if any man is opposed to the Gospel of Grace one ought to pity them. One should feel compassion for such a soul is in pain, in desperate need of Jesus and a revelation of His everlasting love bestowed gracefully. The Lord would have us pray for these people, not tear them down. May their hearts be opened and healing take place... so that they may enter His rest.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The problem is that some people wish to take Jesus' words towards people under the law (and its requirements) and place them on people under a completely different covenant not based upon self merit but Jesus Christ alone (grace and faith). Jesus said to cut off your hand or gouge out your eye, for example, to drive the point home that perfection is required to enter Heaven. Can this be said to a person under the new covenant? Of course not, such a person is righteous by faith and not deed. So it cannot be applied to a believer. Is this erasing the words of Jesus? No, it is putting them in context and in a proper time line.

You folks shouldn't even be allowed to post here with your teachings that the words of Jesus himself are to be disregarded. It really doesn't get more satanic and unchristian than to try to modify or cast doubt on what Jesus said; that's what satan did from the beginning - 'Hath GOD really said?"

Jesus came only to teach the new covenant, not the old. So all of his words have weight and authority for us.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19​

 

[BenFTW]

You folks shouldn't even be allowed to post here with your teachings that the words of Jesus himself are to be disregarded. It really doesn't get more satanic and unchristian than to try to modify or cast doubt on what Jesus said; that's what satan did from the beginning - 'Hath GOD really said?"

Jesus came only to teach the new covenant, not the old. So all of his words have weight and authority for us.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19​

So I take it you're blind and lame? If you are, Jesus is the Healer too, but you probably deny that as well.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here we go again...here is what believers in the grace of Christ and in His finished work say about the words of our Lord. The continuous false accusations and twists that are spun in words is amazing......and at the same time sadly expected.

I am very confident that the viewers will not come out with the idea people that believe in the grace of Christ are lying nor are they satanic.

You can click on the link below to see what is "really" being said about the words of our Lord. Sometimes the comments below give us more insight then the actual article...it will make you fall deeper in love with Jesus and our good, loving Father.

Search Results words of Jesus – Escape to Reality

 

[Depleted]

[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]1 Corinthians 1:31
… “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]If someone asks you, “What must I do to inherit eternal life?” you would probably tell him, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved,” wouldn’t you?

Well, a rich, young ruler asked Jesus the same question, but instead of telling him to believe in Him, Jesus gave him the law. (Mark 10:17–22)
Jesus saw that the young ruler lived his life taking pride in his ability to keep the law to earn salvation and the favor of God. But because of His love for the man, Jesus had to show him that those who live by the law must realize that their self-efforts cannot save them.
He therefore reminded him, “You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery…‘Do not steal...‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

The young ruler showed that his trust was in his law-keeping when he replied, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”
So Jesus had to tell him, “One thing you lack…sell whatever you have and give to the poor…and come…and follow Me.” When the young ruler heard that, he walked away sorrowful.

When we boast of having kept the law, it will always point out something we lack or have failed to obey. The law is so holy and perfect that if we don’t keep even one iota of it, it has no choice but to judge and curse us. (Galatians 3:10) That is what the law was designed to do.
God does not want us to boast in our abilities to keep the law. If we are to have confidence in anything at all, if we are to boast in anything at all, it is in the grace of God.

Only His grace can completely keep, save, heal, deliver and bless us.

So let’s not boast in what we have done or are able to do, but boast in His grace for us—that He is our strength, health, favor, provision, wisdom, hope, salvation and glory. That is how we will see ourselves enjoying our inheritance of abundant life! He, the Lord Jesus is our true abundant life and treasure.

Daily Grace Inspirations Feb 7/16[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Good inspiration piece. Thank you.

I just can't believe it STILL gets tossed away over another chance to fight about grace!

Grace. GRACE! God's unmerited favor. Why is that so hard for some? Everything God gives us is undeserved, yet oh so yummy good.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen....you are welcome..I glad it blessed you to hear about what our Lord has done.

it made me laugh when you said it is " yet oh so yummy good"...I wanted to say.." and it is magically delicious"..to go with your rhyme.

Good inspiration piece. Thank you.

I just can't believe it STILL gets tossed away over another chance to fight about grace!

Grace. GRACE! God's unmerited favor. Why is that so hard for some? Everything God gives us is undeserved, yet oh so yummy good.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Here we go again...here is what believers in the grace of Christ and in His finished work say about the words of our Lord. The continuous false accusations and twists that are spun in words is amazing......and at the same time sadly expected.

I am very confident that the viewers will not come out with the idea people that believe in the grace of Christ are lying nor are they satanic.

You can click on the link below to see what is "really" being said about the words of our Lord. Sometimes the comments below give us more insight then the actual article...it will make you fall deeper in love with Jesus and our good, loving Father.

Search Results words of Jesus – Escape to Reality

Yeah, let's let the reader judge how 'grace' believers teach that these verses don't apply to new covenant believers:

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive [him], so that your Father who [is] in heaven will also forgive you your sins. Mark 11:25

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15​

And how they rip out and discard the bolded part of the Lord's prayer and say that it doesn't apply to new covenant believers.

​And it happened that while he was in a certain place praying, when he stopped a certain one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John also taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say, ​“Father, may your name be treated as holy. May your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:1-4​

There's only one spirit that tries to remove things from scripture, and it's not holy.

 

[royalscot]

]I don't want to make 'grace' an idol[/U], so I'll boast in the Lord, thank you.

Psalm 34:1-2 KJVS
[1] I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
[2] My soul shall make her boast in the Lord : the humble shall hear thereof , and be glad.

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

you said you dont, want to make grace is an idol. what do you think paul is saying with this statement .

and
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.



you keep your eye s, on sin bro. sin brought death,

20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


that would be gods grace or gods forgivness, or gods unmerited faviour. ( pick a meaning. )

 

[gb9]

Good inspiration piece. Thank you.

I just can't believe it STILL gets tossed away over another chance to fight about grace!

Grace. GRACE! God's unmerited favor. Why is that so hard for some? Everything God gives us is undeserved, yet oh so yummy good.

really makes me sad sometimes that we cannot even get the basic concept of grace right. how sad this must make our Heavenly Father. grace = unmerited, underserved GIFT. FREE GIFT, as Paul said.

 

[royalscot]

Yeah, let's let the reader judge how 'grace' believers teach that these verses don't apply to new covenant believers:

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive [him], so that your Father who [is] in heaven will also forgive you your sins. Mark 11:25

For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15​

And how they rip out and discard the bolded part of the Lord's prayer and say that it doesn't apply to new covenant believers.

​And it happened that while he was in a certain place praying, when he stopped a certain one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John also taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say, ​“Father, may your name be treated as holy. May your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation.” Luke 11:1-4​

There's only one spirit that tries to remove things from scripture, and it's not holy.

change is there, yet context keeps , change in the correct time frame in history. but if some cant, understand that change and try to think ,they are cutting jesus out of the equation. then who s fault is that.

context denotes change. ie a gentile was not saved in the gospel, if he was ment to be called jewish, then there would, not be calling a gentile believer, a gentile, and have acts 15. in the bible.

There's only one spirit that tries to remove things from scripture, and it's not holy. (your quote)

1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision?Romans 3



The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

is he, a god of the jews only, would ask, when did he become the god of the gentiles. etc

 

[crossnote]

Like I said, grace taken to a hyper extent replaces the Person of Jesus for a pet doctrine,
We come to Jesus to receive grace. We don't come to grace to receive Jesus.

No one is denying the necessity of grace but grace is not the OBJECT of our faith.

Hebrews 4:14-16 KJVS
[14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. [16] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.