Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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Agreed. That's why God gave us several means by which to test alleged prophetic messages.
Actually he gave us one Its called the word of God. The only testable source which can be confirmed, because it is inspired.


Actually, that is not true. God can speak about things that simply are not addressed anywhere in Scripture. There is a difference between "verified by Scripture" and "consistent with Scripture".
Just because he can does not mean he does.

And again, If you can not verify it by a source which is completely trustworthy, You have no idea if it is from God. Satan or some mans idea. Which sadly, we have in far to many churches things being said in the name of God, which God did not say. And if people would just look to the word. They would see this is true.


I don't recall where this conversation was constrained to the context of church services.
I responded to waggles I believe about prophesy in church services. Where I asked why God needed to give us words not found in scripure.

Our conversation started with your response to that response to waggles.
 

Dino246

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Actually he gave us one Its called the word of God. The only testable source which can be confirmed, because it is inspired.
So, if a message is given regarding a specific direction in a specific context, and the subject is not addressed in Scripture, are we left to our own wits? No. Scripture provides guidance, not necessarily specific direction. There is a framework for consideration, but not a simple "Yes, this is what x verse says." Further, there are areas where God may speak that are completely distinct from Scripture; in these cases, the fruit bears witness as to whether it is of God.

Just because he can does not mean he does.
Nor that He doesn't. That logic works both ways.

And again, If you can not verify it by a source which is completely trustworthy, You have no idea if it is from God. Satan or some mans idea. Which sadly, we have in far to many churches things being said in the name of God, which God did not say. And if people would just look to the word. They would see this is true. .

There are too many areas that simply aren't addressed in Scripture. Should the Church spend on a local outreach program, or on hiring a teaching pastor?

I responded to waggles I believe about prophesy in church services. Where I asked why God needed to give us words not found in scripure.
Our conversation started with your response to that response to waggles.
Fair enough, but I don't consider that a constraint. If you prefer to address only that topic, you are free to do so.[/QUOTE]
 

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Yes, by comparing it as it is written as the faith of God, to the same faith of God. The spiritual unseen eternal understanding to the spirit understanding . The man that has no circular understand that comes in regard to the perfect law, not to add or subtract sealed with seven seals till the end of time. Others must follow after the philosophies of men having no circular reasoning to prove philosophical theories that are not laws. .The circle of the perfect law cannot be broken into and take away from or added .
Either learn what the term, "circular reasoning" actually means, and use it correctly, or stop using it. What you're doing is stubborn and willfully ignorant.
 

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My post is on prophesy.

Please stick to the topic.
Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts that God utilizes in His personal relationship with His children. The operation of prophecy in a church setting or otherwise can be used to lead, guide, and/or confirm God's will specific to a church or an individual's ministry, etc.

This concept is seen in Paul's letter to Timothy:
"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1 Tim 4:14
 

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Usa
Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts that God utilizes in His personal relationship with His children. The operation of prophecy in a church setting or otherwise can be used to lead, guide, and/or confirm God's will specific to a church or an individual's ministry, etc.

This concept is seen in Paul's letter to Timothy:
"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1 Tim 4:14
We must Not grieve nor quench the Holy Spirit!
 
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So, if a message is given regarding a specific direction in a specific context, and the subject is not addressed in Scripture, are we left to our own wits? No. Scripture provides guidance, not necessarily specific direction. There is a framework for consideration, but not a simple "Yes, this is what x verse says." Further, there are areas where God may speak that are completely distinct from Scripture; in these cases, the fruit bears witness as to whether it is of God.


Nor that He doesn't. That logic works both ways.


There are too many areas that simply aren't addressed in Scripture. Should the Church spend on a local outreach program, or on hiring a teaching pastor?


Fair enough, but I don't consider that a constraint. If you prefer to address only that topic, you are free to do so.
To say that god tells people things that can not be confirmed in one way or another by his word means

1 his word is incomplete
2 he leaves no means of testing each spirit to see if it is from god or not

The Bible says it is fully complete fully able to make a man complete in god

Either you believe it or you set your self up for possible demon influenced nonsense which you have no way to confirm or deny because you have taken the only thing god has given you which can be trusted and set it aside

No man should be trusted. That’s why it is essential to take the one perfect thing god gave you to
Confirm or deny what any man tells you is from god or not. Be it through prophesy or tongues or whatever

Your walking on dangerous ground

This is my view and like I said not worth being divided I’ve this is not a Slavic issues
 
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Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts that God utilizes in His personal relationship with His children. The operation of prophecy in a church setting or otherwise can be used to lead, guide, and/or confirm God's will specific to a church or an individual's ministry, etc.

This concept is seen in Paul's letter to Timothy:
"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1 Tim 4:14
You need to worry about the gospel so I will let you be until you learn the true way to salvation until then you can offer me nothing
 

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Either learn what the term, "circular reasoning" actually means, and use it correctly, or stop using it. What you're doing is stubborn and willfully ignorant.
What goes up as a law . . . must come down. . . . . . . spinning wheels as a law spin round and round. Did you ever ride a painted pony from one end of the circuit to the other?

Either learn what the term, "circular (circuitry) reasoning", actually means, and use it correctly, or stop using it. What you're doing is stubborn and willfully ignorant.

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV)His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The circle cannot be broken. No philosophical theories allows.
 

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Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts that God utilizes in His personal relationship with His children. The operation of prophecy in a church setting or otherwise can be used to lead, guide, and/or confirm God's will specific to a church or an individual's ministry, etc.

This concept is seen in Paul's letter to Timothy:
"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1 Tim 4:14
Where can we find the foundation of this tongues prophecy as to a sign that confirms something? Failing backward must mean something other than loss of balance? Have you looked at the foundation of the doctrine of tongues ? Could it be in the Old Testament?
 

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To say that god tells people things that can not be confirmed in one way or another by his word means

1 his word is incomplete
2 he leaves no means of testing each spirit to see if it is from god or not

His word is not "incomplete" but it also does not every issue that could be addressed. If you needed surgery, would you want a surgeon who only read the Bible, or one who had read biological, medical and surgical textbooks?

I already addressed the idea of testing; quite adequately.

The Bible says it is fully complete fully able to make a man complete in god
Actually, it doesn't. It says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)

Either you believe it or you set your self up for possible demon influenced nonsense which you have no way to confirm or deny because you have taken the only thing god has given you which can be trusted and set it aside
No man should be trusted. That’s why it is essential to take the one perfect thing god gave you to confirm or deny what any man tells you is from god or not. Be it through prophesy or tongues or whatever

Who said anything about looking to man? Who said anything about setting aside the word of God? I certainly didn't. You've badly misinterpreted what I'm saying.

If you ask God a question about something that His word simply does not address, how is He going to speak to you through His word? I have had God lead me directly to a person in need of help, when that person could have been anywhere within several square miles. I have had God lead me to buy a specific book on a specific shelf in a specific section of a store; its content was what I needed to learn at that time. I am absolutely convinced that God speaks to His children outside of Scripture. If that idea leaves you in fear, then don't ask Him questions that His word can't specifically answer.

Your walking on dangerous ground
Not at all, because I understand the concept of context. I know when to look to the Scripture for an answer, and when to look to the Spirit of God.

This is my view and like I said not worth being divided I’ve this is not a Slavic issues
Fair enough. We disagree. I don't live in fear; I know my God is far greater than the one who would seek to deceive me.
 

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Actually, it doesn't. It says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)
I would ask are there requirements missing by which we could do better than good works? If so equipped to do what? Come up with one of his own new innovations as a unknown tongue, falling backward ? The gospel of wonderment?
 
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His word is not "incomplete" but it also does not every issue that could be addressed. If you needed surgery, would you want a surgeon who only read the Bible, or one who had read biological, medical and surgical textbooks?

I already addressed the idea of testing; quite adequately.
Whatever.

Why does God need to tell you or anyone else they need surgery, did he not give us doctors for that? The fact you would use this as reasoning just proves my poinr.

And you people do this kind of stuff in church? Wow.



Actually, it doesn't. It says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Sadly your version left the most important word out. But even so. It says that the bible can do all the things bolded. Making the man of God THOROUGHLY EQUIPED (the word equiped is in the perfect tense) i am sure I do not have to tell you what the perfect tense means.

My point was made and PROVEN
Who said anything about looking to man? Who said anything about setting aside the word of God? I certainly didn't. You've badly misinterpreted what I'm saying.

If you ask God a question about something that His word simply does not address, how is He going to speak to you through His word? I have had God lead me directly to a person in need of help, when that person could have been anywhere within several square miles. I have had God lead me to buy a specific book on a specific shelf in a specific section of a store; its content was what I needed to learn at that time. I am absolutely convinced that God speaks to His children outside of Scripture. If that idea leaves you in fear, then don't ask Him questions that His word can't specifically answer.and when to look to the Spirit of God.
Once again THAT IS NOT PROPHECY,

We are talking about prophetic utterance in the church serve, Can you PLEASE stick to the subject.

Not at all, because I understand the concept of context. I know when to look to the Scripture for an answer,

Fair enough. We disagree. I don't live in fear; I know my God is far greater than the one who would seek to deceive me.
I pray so..
 

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Which is exactly what the Spirit-filled Pentecostal disciple has and enjoys as opposed to other Christians who do not have
the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Patently false statement. The Holy Spirit dwells in all and only in born again Christians. To state that the Holy Spirit is only present in those who speak in tongues is wholly false and clearly misleading.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Patently false statement. The Holy Spirit dwells in all and only in born again Christians. To state that the Holy Spirit is only present in those who speak in tongues is wholly false and clearly misleading.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Patently false statement. The Holy Spirit dwells in all and only in born again Christians. To state that the Holy Spirit is only present in those who speak in tongues is wholly false and clearly misleading.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
He can not grasp the fact, if you do not have the HS, YOUR NOT SAVED!
 
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Logically that should provoke the question as to why. Perhaps he has been taught a faulty soteriology?

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Roger
Well he also beieves in a works based save yourself salvation. So he is putting himself above all others. (He earned it) so it actually makes total sense why he does nto understand it. He is special because he earned it, So God gave him a special gift (the Holy Spirit) and not everyone else who has not earned it.
 

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Whatever.

Why does God need to tell you or anyone else they need surgery, did he not give us doctors for that? The fact you would use this as reasoning just proves my poinr.

And you people do this kind of stuff in church? Wow.

Your ability to misconstrue what I'm saying is almost as good as Blik's. Did you take lessons from her?


16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Sadly your version left the most important word out. But even so. It says that the bible can do all the things bolded. Making the man of God THOROUGHLY EQUIPED (the word equiped is in the perfect tense) i am sure I do not have to tell you what the perfect tense means.

My point was made and PROVEN

Yawn. I'm not getting into the translation differences discussion here.


We are talking about prophetic utterance in the church serve, Can you PLEASE stick to the subject.
That's your constraint, not mine. I haven't agreed to it. If you want to force-fit my comments to your narrow box, of course you're going to conclude that they don't fit. Open the lid a crack.
 
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Your ability to misconstrue what I'm saying is almost as good as Blik's. Did you take lessons from her?



Yawn. I'm not getting into the translation differences discussion here.



That's your constraint, not mine. I haven't agreed to it. If you want to force-fit my comments to your narrow box, of course you're going to conclude that they don't fit. Open the lid a crack.
Your the one who responded to me by trying to correct me. If you took me out of context. Thats not my fault.

And it is not a translation difference. I showed the greek which proved my point, which means the translation differences do not even matter.

And I am not misunderstanding what your saying, I understand it perfectly well thank you. Your example just did not fit..