Breaking the speed limit vs "bigger" sins: Are all sins equal?

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If you are following after the Holy Spirit from your heart in accordance with the Gospel message, you will not be perfect in the flesh, and all sins are equal under those circumstances. If you are wilfully choosing to look away from Christ and to the flesh, all sins are not then equal You do not lose your salvation, but the consequences of your sin depends on which sins are committed-as David found to be the case when he sinned with Bathsheeba
 
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So which is it? You've been pushing sinless perfection on another thread and now you say you are imperfect. It appears you're as confused about yourself as everyone else is.
Yes, Christians are supposed to BE perfect. That is what Christ commands of us. We are to conform to the image of Christ. We are to walk as He walked. Many times it is not an overnight process. But it can be if a person truly submits to God in all areas of their life and obeys God's Word and crucifies the affections and lusts in their life. For they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24).
 
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If you are following after the Holy Spirit from your heart in accordance with the Gospel message, you will not be perfect in the flesh, and all sins are equal under those circumstances. If you are wilfully choosing to look away from Christ and to the flesh, all sins are not then equal
Please state Bible verses to back up what you are saying here.

You do not lose your salvation, but the consequences of your sin depends on which sins are committed-as David found to be the case when he sinned with Bathsheeba
Also, in 2 Samuel 12:13 we see David admits that he has sinned against the Lord. This is an admitting of his sin openly before God. Hence, why Samuel was able to say that he was not going to die for what he did (Which is no doubt talking about physical death). For his unborn child was going to die physically instead and pay the price for his sin. As for David's spiritual status with God: Well, in Psalm 51, we see David confess of his sins of adultery and murder. David cries out to God for him not to take His Holy Spirit from him. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

In other words, God does not hand out grace to those who continue to rebel and sin against him willfully. We see David had admitted and later confessed of his sin to God.
 

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No there are not. God judges all sin the same. That means he judges murder the same as robbery. There's no "differing levels" of sin. Sin is sin. Period. One sin is no greater nor less than another.

this is false. i'm not sure what the basis for your answer is, but there are a few biblical examples that remind us that sin is definitely judged differently.

in the new testament, Jesus says that sodom's judgment will be more bearable than what would be judged of capernaum after witnessing miracles and his failure to repent.

there is also reference to some being beaten with many blows and some with a few.

also, the greatest judgment has always been given to the religious leaders and in the case of sin of unbelief, as opposed to sexual immorality.

another difference of sin is distinguished in the sin of sexual immorality, which is considered a sin against the body.
 
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Dear Michael:

Also, what you say about how believers will never be perfect is simply not true.

Try doing a blueletterbible search on the word "perfect" and see how many verses in the New Testament talk about being perfect. You will be amazed at how many verses you will find.
 
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Please state Bible verses to back up what you are saying here.



Also, in 2 Samuel 12:13 we see David admits that he has sinned against the Lord. This is an admitting of his sin openly before God. Hence, why Samuel was able to say that he was not going to die for what he did (Which is no doubt talking about physical death). For his unborn child was going to die physically instead and pay the price for his sin. As for David's spiritual status with God: Well, in Psalm 51, we see David confess of his sins of adultery and murder. David cries out to God for him not to take His Holy Spirit from him. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

In other words, God does not hand out grace to those who continue to rebel and sin against him willfully. We see David had admitted and later confessed of his sin to God.
You need to put away the head theology of the literal word and allow yourself to be led of the Holy Spirit into truth. And you need to come to an understanding of the new covenant. Once again, the covenant hinges on two core facts, not one. The first as written gives you no rest-no peace when you commit wilfull, deliberate sin. You cannot under the new covenant happily commit as much sin as you want without conscience
 
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Actually you are mixing a New Testament Command given by James with a truth revealed by Jesus.

James said,

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:10).

Jesus said,

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19).

In James 2:10, James is talking about the Royal Law or the Law of love under the New Covenant (For it is called the Royal Law in verse 8 and the Law of Liberty in verse 12; So this is not talking about the Law of Moses). In Matthew chapter 5, Jesus does give us many Preparational New Testament Commandments that are repeated later in the New Testament (After His death); However, in Matthew 5:19, Jesus is talking exclusively about the Law of Moses (See verses 17-18). Also, see verse 24. For it is a Command that is specifically only for the Old Covenant because Jesus says to reconcile with your brother before giving a gift (animal sacrifice) at the altar. Christians do not sacrifice animals anymore.
Actually I am not mixing up anything...Jesus inspired James...they are not the words of James, but rather the words of GOD penned by JAMES......and the point stands.....! Open your eyes.....
 
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Dear Michael:

Also, what you say about how believers will never be perfect is simply not true.

Try doing a blueletterbible search on the word "perfect" and see how many verses in the New Testament talk about being perfect. You will be amazed at how many verses you will find.
Maybe you should try to do a word study on the word perfect and be honest with what the word actually means and you might be amazed at how wrong your use of it is......As a matter of fact....you would be amazed at how wrong you are on numerous subjects if you would acknowledge the inspired words, verb tenses and context that GOD inspired instead of your skewed view.
 
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You need to put away the head theology of the literal word and allow yourself to be led of the Holy Spirit into truth. And you need to come to an understanding of the new covenant. Once again, the covenant hinges on two core facts, not one. The first as written gives you no rest-no peace when you commit wilfull, deliberate sin. You cannot under the new covenant happily commit as much sin as you want without conscience
If you teach that all sin is forgiven including future sin, then that is going to lead people into thinking they can get away with sin on occasion (Regardless if you teach that a person is supposed to live holy). What about a believer who commits suicide? Are they saved? No, most certainly not. 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. Suicide is self murder. Do you believe a person can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?
 
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Maybe you should try to do a word study on the word perfect and be honest with what the word actually means and you might be amazed at how wrong your use of it is......As a matter of fact....you would be amazed at how wrong you are on numerous subjects if you would acknowledge the inspired words, verb tenses and context that GOD inspired instead of your skewed view.
Jesus relates "perfect" with the Father. The Father is "perfect" because He is Holy and is not capable of sinning. So the cat is already out of the bag. There is no way you can change the meaning of the word "perfect" because Jesus just gave us the illustration by way of comparison of the word "perfect" by pointing to the Father.

For how exactly is the Father "perfect" yet not "perfect" as you define it?
 
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Maybe you should try to do a word study on the word perfect and be honest with what the word actually means and you might be amazed at how wrong your use of it is......As a matter of fact....you would be amazed at how wrong you are on numerous subjects if you would acknowledge the inspired words, verb tenses and context that GOD inspired instead of your skewed view.
He doesn't get that we are imputed with Christs perfection. Even though we are dead to rights guilty of sin we are covered and it is by NOTHING we have done. In fact....we were "chosen before the foundation of the world". Jason doesn't understand that he doesn't get to have ANY credit.
 
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If you teach that all sin is forgiven including future sin, then that is going to lead people into thinking they can get away with sin on occasion (Regardless if you teach that a person is supposed to live holy). What about a believer who commits suicide? Are they saved? No, most certainly not. 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. Suicide is self murder. Do you believe a person can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?
If all sin, including future sin is not forgiven under the new covenant, you have to dismiss Paul's letters. But there is consequences to wilfull-deliberate sin. You fail to understand the new covenant hinges on two-not one core facts. That is why you hold the views you do on this subject
 
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I believe all sin is equal than another and it still carries just as much weight. I also believe there is no difference between bearing false witness (lying) and murder. Is all of our past, present, and future sin forgiven, YES. However, people do not understand to repent for their sins they need to turn away from them. Will a Christian sin a year from now? Of course they will, but when they turn from it, that is when God will forgive them. We are forgiven because Christ was forsaken, but as an old proverb says, "actions speak louder than words" we can say please forgive me as many times as we want to, but until that forgiveness is put into action that is when God will forgive us.
 
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Jesus relates "perfect" with the Father. The Father is "perfect" because He is Holy and is not capable of sinning. So the cat is already out of the bag. There is no way you can change the meaning of the word "perfect" because Jesus just gave us the illustration by way of comparison of the word "perfect" by pointing to the Father.

For how exactly is the Father "perfect" yet not "perfect" as you define it?
Are you seriously that dense? GO STUDY THE MEANING OF THE WORD......IT MEANS COMPLETE and this is why you will not make it......GOD INSPIRED THE GREEK WORD and WHAT IT MEANS....NOT THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION BY MEN WHO BELIEVED IN WORKS FOR SALVATION...OPEN your blind eyes!
 
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I believe all sin is equal than another and it still carries just as much weight. I also believe there is no difference between bearing false witness (lying) and murder. Is all of our past, present, and future sin forgiven, YES. However, people do not understand to repent for their sins they need to turn away from them. Will a Christian sin a year from now? Of course they will, but when they turn from it, that is when God will forgive them. We are forgiven because Christ was forsaken, but as an old proverb says, "actions speak louder than words" we can say please forgive me as many times as we want to, but until that forgiveness is put into action that is when God will forgive us.
Jesus pretty much dispelled any notion that sin is only in action but that it is also in its incubation (thoughts)
 
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He doesn't get that we are imputed with Christs perfection. Even though we are dead to rights guilty of sin we are covered and it is by NOTHING we have done. In fact....we were "chosen before the foundation of the world". Jason doesn't understand that he doesn't get to have ANY credit.
First, I do not believe in getting the credit. That is a false belief you keep trying to push upon me that I do not believe. I believe Jesus Christ does the good work thru the believer. The believer merely yields to God working within them. So the believer cannot take credit for the work they do.

Second, I have talked with one person (personally face to face) who told me they can mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and they would still be saved. Surely you do not believe that. For such a notion would suggest that you are lawless or against the righteousness of God. So when you say it is nothng you have done, you have to be careful how you say that. It can lead a person to think they can live life however they please and still be saved.
 
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He doesn't get that we are imputed with Christs perfection. Even though we are dead to rights guilty of sin we are covered and it is by NOTHING we have done. In fact....we were "chosen before the foundation of the world". Jason doesn't understand that he doesn't get to have ANY credit.
Look at his reply in post 70........I posted the actually meaning of the Greek word the other day that is erroneously translated perfect by the King Jim workers for salvation and he is still refusing to acknowledge the truth by using humanistic logic and blind reasoning.......
 
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Look at his reply in post 70........I posted the actually meaning of the Greek word the other day that is erroneously translated perfect by the King Jim workers for salvation and he is still refusing to acknowledge the truth by using humanistic logic and blind reasoning.......
How is the Father "perfect" according to your definition?
 
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Jesus pretty much dispelled any notion that sin is only in action but that it is also in its incubation (thoughts)
I know that you can think of sinning and you have already sinned in your heart as well. I apologize for not including this in my post. I am not feeling well and I am trying to get out the door.
 
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If all sin, including future sin is not forgiven under the new covenant, you have to dismiss Paul's letters. But there is consequences to wilfull-deliberate sin. You fail to understand the new covenant hinges on two-not one core facts. That is why you hold the views you do on this subject
Verses? Please.