Breaking the speed limit vs "bigger" sins: Are all sins equal?

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eternally-gratefull

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We know that all sins are equal; all sin separates us from God. Do you feel that breaking the speed limit is a sin in that it does not obey local authorities? (Rend unto Caesar what is Caesar's)

Do we take it seriously enough?

Should we take it as seriously as the struggle with alcoholism or lying?


What are your thoughts on some sins being worse than others? My personal opinion is that all sins are equal but some sin has a larger social, personal, physical, and economical cost to it. Therefore, we're more likely to view the sins that affect ourselves and others as "worse," but in the end--they all separate us from God.
your right. we have to look at sins from two differing view.

Gods view (if we break the least of the commands we are guilty of the whole law) as for as what his true justice thinks of sin,

Gods view as far as temporal or societal impact of some sins (which is why he hed differing punishments for different sins in the law)


if we fail to see it this way, we will think we are better than we really are. and lose sight of the grace of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Further, how should the church react to brothers and sisters who sin?
the way God told us to. Remembering first we are all sinners. and we have no right to judge anyone.
 
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First, I do not believe in getting the credit. That is a false belief you keep trying to push upon me that I do not believe. I believe Jesus Christ does the good work thru the believer. The believer merely yields to God working within them. So the believer cannot take credit for the work they do.

Second, I have talked with one person (personally face to face) who told me they can mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and they would still be saved. Surely you do not believe that. For such a notion would suggest that you are lawless or against the righteousness of God. So when you say it is nothng you have done, you have to be careful how you say that. It can lead a person to think they can live life however they please and still be saved.
I like how in your first paragraph you tell me not to tell you what you believe and then in the second paragraph you tell me what I believe.

As an aside. It's tough to keep up with you. Your theology keeps evolving. You do know it only gets harder to keep everything straight right?
 
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How is the Father "perfect" according to your definition?
Go look the word up yourself and study it and come to some truth......here I will help......

teleios---COMPLETE in various applications OF labor, growth mental and moral character....AS A NOUN-->completeness, of FULL AGE, MATURE

It does not mean SINLESS PERFECTION.........IT MEANS to GROW UP, MATURE and come ONLINE as one who is MATURE and COMPLETE...........
 
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Go look the word up yourself and study it and come to some truth......here I will help......

teleios---COMPLETE in various applications OF labor, growth mental and moral character....AS A NOUN-->completeness, of FULL AGE, MATURE

It does not mean SINLESS PERFECTION.........IT MEANS to GROW UP, MATURE and come ONLINE as one who is MATURE and COMPLETE...........
I would not worry to much, He can not live up to the standard he demands we all live by, He thinks he can, but it does not matter what he thinks, it matters what God thinks.
 
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I like how in your first paragraph you tell me not to tell you what you believe and then in the second paragraph you tell me what I believe.

As an aside. It's tough to keep up with you. Your theology keeps evolving. You do know it only gets harder to keep everything straight right?
I never stated that I was perfect or that I should get the credit. You are going to have to find a post where I stated that for it to be so.

Also, you didn't answer me. Do you believe you can mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and still be saved?
 
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Go look the word up yourself and study it and come to some truth......here I will help......

teleios---COMPLETE in various applications OF labor, growth mental and moral character....AS A NOUN-->completeness, of FULL AGE, MATURE

It does not mean SINLESS PERFECTION.........IT MEANS to GROW UP, MATURE and come ONLINE as one who is MATURE and COMPLETE...........
Maybe jason is trying to avoid the hard work and determination that it takes to become mature and complete and just expects Jesus to hand it to him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I never stated that I was perfect or that I should get the credit. You are going to have to find a post where I stated that for it to be so.

Also, you didn't answer me. Do you believe you can mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and still be saved?
David committed adultery and murder and was still saved. (he was called a man after Gods heart before he even committed those sins, by God himself)

why do you like to focus on heinous sin (in our eyes) and not on all sin? do you think your sin is not so dirty in the eyes of God or something?
 
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Go look the word up yourself and study it and come to some truth......here I will help......

teleios---COMPLETE in various applications OF labor, growth mental and moral character....AS A NOUN-->completeness, of FULL AGE, MATURE

It does not mean SINLESS PERFECTION.........IT MEANS to GROW UP, MATURE and come ONLINE as one who is MATURE and COMPLETE...........
God the Father never matured or had grown up. He was always perfect in His standard of behavior. Perfect in standard of behavior means one is not capable of sinning.
 
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Also, you didn't answer me. Do you believe you can mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and still be saved?
This is really a twisted question but I'll answer it anyway. If you asked...can a person that mows down a crowd of people come to repentance...the answer is yes. Paul didn't have access to a machine gun but if he had he might have used one.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God the Father never matured or had grown up. He was always perfect in His standard of behavior. Perfect in standard of behavior means one is not capable of sinning.
so. when did we become glorified? and recieve our sinless bodies?

perfect means mature or complete. as it relates to man, it does not mean sinless. God did not tell us to be somethign he KNOWS we can not be.


Living in grace (completeness) is living as our father is, it is living in total love.
 

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If you teach that all sin is forgiven including future sin, then that is going to lead people into thinking they can get away with sin on occasion (Regardless if you teach that a person is supposed to live holy). What about a believer who commits suicide? Are they saved? No, most certainly not. 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. Suicide is self murder. Do you believe a person can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?
Poor weak Holy Spirit, too impotent to bring His children to repentance, just let them go to destruction, don't bother the good Shepherd ...He's sleeping.
 
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Maybe jason is trying to avoid the hard work and determination that it takes to become mature and complete and just expects Jesus to hand it to him.
His problem is that he does not understand the following words....

1. salvation
2. faith
3. grace
4. justification
5. sanctification (positionally in Christ)
6. Sanctification (in our fleshly daily lives)
7. Perfect
8. eternal, everlasting life

and on and on and on!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Poor weak Holy Spirit, too impotent to bring His children to repentance, just let them go to destruction, don't bother the good Shepherd ...He's sleeping.
amen. If we had the god they worship, we would be in trouble
 
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God the Father never matured or had grown up. He was always perfect in His standard of behavior. Perfect in standard of behavior means one is not capable of sinning.
More humanistic logic and reasoning here for sure.....the word is applied unto US as compared to the NATURE of the FATHER.....man you take the blind cake for sure....

The bible tells us to be HOLY as he is HOLY....SAME APPLICATION and POINT...did GOD have to learn to be HOLY or has he always been HOLY....OPEN YOUR EYES DUDE.......

BE COMPLETE as YOUIR FATHER IS COMPLETE...HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMPLETE just as he has always BEEN HOLY...man....
 
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kennethcadwell

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Luke 13:2
And Jesus said to them, "
Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners
than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate?


Luke 13:3


I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.




Our Lord Jesus makes it clear that all sins, aside of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, will lead to one perishing in the lake of fire if not repented of.

Yes there are different consequences when it comes to sins when it comes to when one is still in the flesh, but there is also different amounts of punishment when it comes to judgment and how disobedient and sinful a person lived their life.
Just as there is different rewards for believers on how obedient/faithful they were in the faith while in our fleshly imperfect bodies.

We are not yet transformed into our uncorruptable spiritual bodies that takes place at the gathering with the Lord, therefore sin nature is still what we war against. Yet the bible makes it clear that through Christ we can overcome the world and that sin nature, which means sin no longer controls our walk.

If you still struggle with sin in a area in your life or continue to be sinful everyday then sin does still have control over you. You though if you continue to give yourself to the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit's guidance will be lead away from continuing in those sins.

You can not justify or excuse your sins by saying they are already forgiven before even committed and asked forgiveness of as no bible verse says they are before that point. The verses that say all sins will be forgiven is saying that no matter what kind of sin you commit in your life apart from blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will be forgiven if asked for true forgiveness of it and repentance. Showing in your future walk of not continuing to commit it any longer.

The other thing that we must be careful with is as I have seen in this thread again is placing some sins in that unforgivable category when there is only 1 unforgivable sin; Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit !!!



Example: If a person murdered a person in 1985 and then truly repented of it and did not murder another person the rest of their life and walked a proper path in the faith. If they then lived tell 2012 and died then they will be saved unto eternal life through Christ as well.


One must understand the difference when it comes to salvation and sin connection when the bible shows a difference between one who sins from time to time, or a one time event in their life, to a person who continues constantly to deliberately or continues everyday to practice (doing) those sins.
A person who murders another sometime in their life and then later repents of it, is not the murderer who does not repent that has no eternal life abiding in them that the Apostle John is talking about.




 
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Galahad

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when i drive along, sometimes i wonder if it's a worse sin to go 5 or 8 miles over the posted speed limit, or to knowingly cause dangerous traffic conditions and offend & enrage my neighbors-on-the-expressway by following strictly the sign on a road where the average speed is 10-15 mph more than what's posted.

ex. -- a part of freeway i drive on regularly is posted 50mph. average speed during morning/evening rush hour is at least 70mph.
what's the right thing to do?
Posthuman, from the look of things on your avatar, I don't know why you're worried. Certainly you're not an organ donor!

Apparently, it's become an accepted speed. Where I live, authorities would slow it down by stationing traffic officers there. If they ain't ticketing and the posted limit is 50 but the flow is 70, try 65. Or, if a different route.

You see the speed limit and sin is trying to strain out a gnat. It is ridiculous. Why? Most folks do not deliberately set out to break the speed limit. Their goal is to drive safe.
 

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James is talking about the Law of Love. This is based on the context by the fact that those brethren he was talking to were showing favoritism in their fellowship. They were giving no honor to the poor and were instead giving that honor to the rich instead.

Is one hating their brother or other people when they go over a little when they speed?

Is there a Scripture verse that says if we disobey the laws of the land we are to face Hell fire?[/QUOTE]

There is one that says obey the laws of Caesar for the glory of God...........does that count? Also, Paul wrote on being obedient to those who have authority over us.......does that count?
 
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Kaycie

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Think of what you would consider the smallest sin possible. Now apply the punishment for that one sin to be eternity in hell. Now think of the biggest sin you can think of. If even the punishment for the smallest sin is drastic, should it be less drastic for the bigger sin? It only takes one sin, no matter how small, to send you to hell forever IF it is not covered by Christ's blood.

Would you rather someone steal your pencil or murder your child? Yes there are big sins and little sins, but they all have the same eternal punishment (I'm not speaking of degrees of punishment on the earth). Because even for one single tiny one you could never pay for even if you were severely punished for all eternity, the cost is that expensive. So how are you supposed to pay for the others when you can't even pay the tiniest debt? It will never get to where that one is paid, now time to pay for another one, so as far as eternity goes, it doesn't matter how big or how much the sin is. But praise be to God that Christ's blood is powerful enough to wash away any and every sin IF you are covered by His blood.