... but what does the Bible say about sin?

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont see anyone saying that

Thats funny. Those saying people who continue to sin are not saved. sounds like law to me. Since everyone will continue to sin. Scripture makes that clear.

I guess that depends on your definition of perfect

Sinless, Without sin. Obeying EVERY Aspect of the law 100 % of the time.

God did perfect Paul. As the word says to follow him as He follows Christ. Scripture would not say this if Paul wasn't following Christ perfectly

Yeah he did. By Imputing his own righteousness to Paul. Thus when the father saw him, He did not see Paul, and his sin, He saw Christ.

But Paul said over and over he had not yet made it. He continues to run the race. Called himself a wretched man etc etc.

As you say. Scripture would not say it if it were not true!

 

[zone]

God did perfect Paul.

c. 62AD:

Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.


c. 68 A.D.

The Apostle Paul dies
The Apostle Paul is put to death around May or June of 68 A.D., likely just before the death of Roman emperor Nero on June 9, 68 A.D. in Greece. Nero is the first emperor of the Roman Empire to actively persecute and kill Christians. At the time of his martyrdom the apostle Paul was about sixty-six (66) years old.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

c. 62AD:

Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.


c. 68 A.D.

The Apostle Paul dies
The Apostle Paul is put to death around May or June of 68 A.D., likely just before the death of Roman emperor Nero on June 9, 68 A.D. in Greece. Nero is the first emperor of the Roman Empire to actively persecute and kill Christians. At the time of his martyrdom the apostle Paul was about sixty-six (66) years old.

Some people just will not see truth even when it stares them in the face!

 

[notIbutChrist]

c. 62AD:

Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

What was it exactly that Paul hadn't obtained yet? the resurrection of the just. Why because he wasn't dead yet. this actually disproves OSAS, because if OSAS were true then Paul would have already obtained the resurrection of the just. we must finish the race, not just start it.

As far as not being perfect he goes on to say in this same chapter verse 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you..

why must we have a this demeanor because as soon as we think we stand that is when we will fall. does the scripture above prove Paul was not living his life sinlessly? No it doesn't. what is proves is that Paul was not content in where he was at, but was ever moving closer to Christ, as we all should do, ans as many of us that be perfect be thus minded, and if not may God reveal it to you.

c. 68 A.D.

The Apostle Paul dies
The Apostle Paul is put to death around May or June of 68 A.D., likely just before the death of Roman emperor Nero on June 9, 68 A.D. in Greece. Nero is the first emperor of the Roman Empire to actively persecute and kill Christians. At the time of his martyrdom the apostle Paul was about sixty-six (66) years old.

Interesting fact

 

[notIbutChrist]

Some people just will not see truth even when it stares them in the face!

Aint that the truth

 

[notIbutChrist]

Thats funny. Those saying people who continue to sin are not saved. sounds like law to me. Since everyone will continue to sin.

That is because you do not understand grace or the gospel

Scripture makes that clear.

Yes, scripture does make it clear that those that continue in sin are not saved

Sinless, Without sin. Obeying EVERY Aspect of the law 100 % of the time.

You do not even understand what the people you oppose believe or teach. that is the first thing you should do before opposing anyone

Yeah he did. By Imputing his own righteousness to Paul. Thus when the father saw him, He did not see Paul, and his sin, He saw Christ.

But Paul said over and over he had not yet made it. He continues to run the race. Called himself a wretched man etc etc.

As you say. Scripture would not say it if it were not true!

I thought you believe OSAS, how in the world could Paul have not made it yet is OSAS were true?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What was it exactly that Paul hadn't obtained yet? the resurrection of the just. Why because he wasn't dead yet. this actually disproves OSAS, because if OSAS were true then Paul would have already obtained the resurrection of the just. we must finish the race, not just start it.

and you do not believe in salvation of the law? you just proved you did. you flip flop more than our president!

Paul could not be ressurected yet. He was still alive. one must die before they can be ressurected. But as Jesus said in John 6. he promises that all who believe in him WILL BE ressurected. John also tells us in his epistle we can KNOW we have eternal life. If we could ever lose salvation. we could never know anything, and john would be a liar!

As far as not being perfect he goes on to say in this same chapter verse 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you..

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule,[b] let us be of the same mind.

You don't read very well do you? Why do you want to twist what Paul wrote and pervert it to something he never claimed??

why must we have a this demeanor because as soon as we think we stand that is when we will fall.

Thats funny, that is what we have been saying all along. It is you who think we can stand. NOT US!

does the scripture above prove Paul was not living his life sinlessly?[

Yes it does. Paul would not say he was not perfect if he thought he was sinless.
He would not say he pressed on if he thought he was not perfect.

No it doesn't. what is proves is that Paul was not content in where he was at, but was ever moving closer to Christ, as we all should do, ans as many of us that be perfect be thus minded, and if not may God reveal it to you.Interesting fact

If Paul was sinless. He would not need to press on, He would not need to say he was not yet perfected. The fact paul said he was not yet there was he knew he still fell from time to time, and would still fall. Otherwise he would not have to press on. He would have already MADE IT!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Aint that the truth

Yeah it is. We show you truth, and you keep denying it. But then again. People like you have done it for 6000 years. I guess we should expect it.

 

[notIbutChrist]

Yeah it is. We show you truth, and you keep denying it. But then again. People like you have done it for 6000 years. I guess we should expect it.

You wouldn't know truth if Jesus himself came down from heaven visited you, and did His best to explain it to you face to face

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is because you do not understand grace or the gospelYes, scripture does make it clear that those that continue in sin are not saved

Yes, But continuing in sin, And falling from time to time is not the same.

To continue in sin means one lives as they lived before they supposedly came to Christ. with no change in life. This is what "continuing" means. To continue to live as you did before.

That is not the same as falling, or letting the flesh have victory from time to time. If we could be perfect. Paul would not have spent so much time telling us how to grow in Christ. But even he said he had not yet mattured to perfection. So why should we think we can?

You do not even understand what the people you oppose believe or teach. that is the first thing you should do before opposing anyone

I know exactly what you teach. Been exposed to your doctrines all my life. You all teach the same thing. nothing new.

I thought you believe OSAS, how in the world could Paul have not made it yet is OSAS were true?

Saved. from what? Wrath, judgment. why? we are guilty. without salvation we are rightly condemned to hell.

Perfected (experiencial not positional) We are positionally perfect in Christ. We are not now. and will not be conditional perfect until we are resurrected.

Paul knew he HAD eternal life. He knew he was saved. He knew he would receive a glorified body free of sin.

He also knew, even though he tried to make his condition equal his position here on earth. He had not yet atained it. so kept working for it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You wouldn't know truth if Jesus himself came down from heaven visited you, and did His best to explain it to you face to face

And you claim to be sinless?

Love the lord with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself.

You just sinned. Confess to God, maybe he will "resave you"

 

[zone]

Some people just will not see truth even when it stares them in the face!

its not for them.
its for the lambs they are endangering.

 

[zone]

As far as not being perfect he goes on to say in this same chapter verse 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you..

Philippians 3:15
New International Version(©1984)
All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

New Living Translation(©2007)
Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.

English Standard Version(©2001)
Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

New American Standard Bible(©1995)
Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you;

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

[zone]

I thought you believe OSAS, how in the world could Paul have not made it yet is OSAS were true?

Romans 8
26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 8
26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

to add a few more:

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Rom 3:20 - 24..Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified. For by the law is knowledge of sin. but now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed being witnessed by the law and the prophets even the righteousness of God through faith in Christ to all on on all who believe for their is no difference. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. being justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption in Christ Jesus.

Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”


Rom 8 : 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is alive because of righteousness

Rom 6 : 8 - 11 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

 

[zone]

to add a few more:

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Rom 3:20 - 24..Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified. For by the law is knowledge of sin. but now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed being witnessed by the law and the prophets even the righteousness of God through faith in Christ to all on on all who believe for their is no difference. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. being justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption in Christ Jesus.

Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”


Rom 8 : 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is alive because of righteousness

Rom 6 : 8 - 11 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

too bad they have no clue what the first resurrection is.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

 

[Dude653]

uhhh...I'm pretty sure the Bible says Sin is bad.

 

[notIbutChrist]

Originally Posted by notIbutChrist

You wouldn't know truth if Jesus himself came down from heaven visited you, and did His best to explain it to you face to face

And you claim to be sinless?

Love the lord with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself.

You just sinned. Confess to God, maybe he will "resave you"

Speaking the truth is not unloving. Jesus told the pharisees they were a brewed of vipers children of satan, was He being unloving?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

too bad they have no clue what the first resurrection is.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

Yep all those liars in Scripture. How dare they teach about spiritual re-birth

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Speaking the truth is not unloving. Jesus told the pharisees they were a brewed of vipers children of satan, was He being unloving?

He also explained why. He did not just make an unloving attack.

And ain't it funny. The pharisees taught what you taught. So who was Jesus calling a brood of vipers?

Yet again, Your making attacks. Not responding to the plain verses you claim must not be true. Blah Blah Blah.