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God will not work, until we put action to our faith in His promises.
If the word of God is not in our hearts first, then how can we speak it in faith?
No, not earning, MAKING our salvation.
It is not us, but the word of God that does the work in us, but we MUST speak forth the word of God.
Again, we are saved by the word of God, but the word of God and our faith is subject/servant to us.
We permit God to perform His work in us through and by His word, when we speak/send it out our mouths.
If the word of God is not in our hearts first, then how can we speak it in faith?
No, not earning, MAKING our salvation.
It is not us, but the word of God that does the work in us, but we MUST speak forth the word of God.
Again, we are saved by the word of God, but the word of God and our faith is subject/servant to us.
We permit God to perform His work in us through and by His word, when we speak/send it out our mouths.
As I said, placing our relationship to time on the question of salvation is anthropomorphic. Salvation is an eternal reality not a temporal one, though it does appear to be something that changes within our lifetimes. If we are saved we were saved before we were born, are saved now, and will be saved after we die. The reality of it is eternal.
Mat 10
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Any body know what is not worthy of me mean? Save or not
Any body know take his cross mean, work or not?
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Any body know what is not worthy of me mean? Save or not
Any body know take his cross mean, work or not?
Clues are given in 1 Peter and 1 John, regarding how Jews viewed "salvation"
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 John 2
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 John 2
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Amen to the truth that it is all God who does the work and not we ourselves: what we might produce on our own is only filthy rags.
But I wonder what you mean by "the VINE does not labor to bear fruit"?
If you mean that it is able to produce fruit only because it is connected to the root who produces fruit through it? then I agree
But what you write could be taken to mean that the vine has no choice or part in the matter of salvation: The Christian simply becomes a robot who needs put no effort or will or thought into his life. With that I would disagree.
But I wonder what you mean by "the VINE does not labor to bear fruit"?
If you mean that it is able to produce fruit only because it is connected to the root who produces fruit through it? then I agree
But what you write could be taken to mean that the vine has no choice or part in the matter of salvation: The Christian simply becomes a robot who needs put no effort or will or thought into his life. With that I would disagree.
There is much irony in all of this. In this verse Paul says "I" can do - so that means Paul is involved in the doing. But then he clearly says that this is because of Christ in him who gives the strength.
And when Paul says "I" that is the new creation he was made in Christ at the new birth: and that was not of Paul but of God. So who Paul is as a person in Christ is all because of God.
And yet Paul's will and choice is involved in the process of this "doing" because he says "I" can. God does not have puppets who serve him only as robots who are manipulated by God pulling on the strings. We follow Him and give him all of our will, our strength, and our mind, because of what He has done for us and in us.
And as someone pointed out remember the context of this verse: Philippians 4:13: Paul is saying that whether he has a lot or a little he is able to serve Christ.
And when Paul says "I" that is the new creation he was made in Christ at the new birth: and that was not of Paul but of God. So who Paul is as a person in Christ is all because of God.
And yet Paul's will and choice is involved in the process of this "doing" because he says "I" can. God does not have puppets who serve him only as robots who are manipulated by God pulling on the strings. We follow Him and give him all of our will, our strength, and our mind, because of what He has done for us and in us.
And as someone pointed out remember the context of this verse: Philippians 4:13: Paul is saying that whether he has a lot or a little he is able to serve Christ.
