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You are free to dance around that verse, as I stated
That verse has NOTHING that states anything about losing, keeping or gaining salvation genius...get that through your head...and the only one tap dancing is you pal......and what you cannot grasp, due to being tainted by Catholic dogma is that LOVE is a process of GROWTH AND MATURITY AFTER ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN SAVED ETERNALLY BY FAITH.....but let me tell you....keep on thinking that you have some grand assistance in the salvation given freely and eternally by faith and see how you like the "many group" that believed the same drivel........not a good day for you.
 

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I need your help to:

1. Where in the verse say it only when they are non believer

2. Do you believe after they are accept Christ ok to kill and only lose the reward but still go to heaven, or believer never fall in sin like killing?
Ok 1 cor 6
1¶Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
Point 1)
So the context is making judgments on matters within the Church . And go outside on matters with those that are probably the ones persecuting the Church or at least not favourable towards believers .
Are Unbelievers saved ? point 2)
Point 3 ) Paul then says they were such things as the people they are going outside to , but now they are saved why go to unbelivers ,they will not Judge angels ,they will not be in heaven with you ect .
11And such were some of you: but ye ARE washed, but ye ARE sanctified, but ye ARE justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Or some say ( another view ) there is a difference between ' inheritance, ' and going to heaven without an inheritance.
either way look at verse 11 . Thats as secure as it gets . Notice the ' ARE ' .
 

throughfaith

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I need your help to:

1. Where in the verse say it only when they are non believer

2. Do you believe after they are accept Christ ok to kill and only lose the reward but still go to heaven, or believer never fall in sin like killing?
To answer point 2) Now this is a loaded question. You cannot be unsaved , unregenerated, un sealed by the Holy Spirit, un seated in the heavenlies , un Sanctified , un justified , un predestined to Glorification ( as that means God is double minded and his promises change ) , un baptised in the Holy Spirit and so much more .
So to help clear the fog . Do you believe a drunkard can be saved by Jesus if so how and why ?
 

Jackson123

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Ok 1 cor 6
1¶Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
Point 1)
So the context is making judgments on matters within the Church . And go outside on matters with those that are probably the ones persecuting the Church or at least not favourable towards believers .
Are Unbelievers saved ? point 2)
Point 3 ) Paul then says they were such things as the people they are going outside to , but now they are saved why go to unbelivers ,they will not Judge angels ,they will not be in heaven with you ect .
11And such were some of you: but ye ARE washed, but ye ARE sanctified, but ye ARE justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Or some say ( another view ) there is a difference between ' inheritance, ' and going to heaven without an inheritance.
either way look at verse 11 . Thats as secure as it gets . Notice the ' ARE ' .
1 saint Will judge

Is saint also mean killer, adulterer, rober, but believe Jesus as a zGod?

11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Some of you were

Were killer, adulterer etc

Were, is that mean some of you still is?

Were, pastent mean not do anymore

But you believe keep killing as long believe in Jesus still go to heaven and judge angel don't you?
 

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[Sigh]

Same old rebuttal that all devout OSAS’ers are taught.

Hear ye what the Lord says!

Romans 11:20-22 KJV
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you are standing by faith. Do not be highminded, but fear: [21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he does not spare you also. [22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

YOU CAN BE CUT OFF WITH THE UNBELIEVERS TOO!
Broken off what ? cut off what ?
 

Jackson123

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To answer point 2) Now this is a loaded question. You cannot be unsaved , unregenerated, un sealed by the Holy Spirit, un seated in the heavenlies , un Sanctified , un justified , un predestined to Glorification ( as that means God is double minded and his promises change ) , un baptised in the Holy Spirit and so much more .
So to help clear the fog . Do you believe a drunkard can be saved by Jesus if so how and why ?
I believe every body can save by Jesus as long as they believe in Him

Let me tell you what I think believe mean

I was immigrant worker in mesa AZ, 30 years ago.

There was a gentelmen ask me how to get los angeles ca.

I told him to take 60 west then 10 west.

Did he believe me?

No body know If he believe me or not, until he take action.

If he di what I say, than I know he believe me.

If he the 60 east than I know he didn't believe me.

We ask Jesus how to inherit eternal live
Luke 10

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus never Lie and He agree that for inherit eternal live require

Love God and love other.

If i have 5 gallon water and i love the poor that ask me a cup of water Will i say No.

I love you brother, but I buy this water I Will not give you for free.

How do you know that I love that poor brother. Just because I say I do love him?
Or by my action.

Remember Jesus say to inherit eternal live, one must Love God and other.

Thats mean If you don't love God and other, you not inherit eternal live
 

throughfaith

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1 saint Will judge

Is saint also mean killer, adulterer, rober, but believe Jesus as a zGod?

11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Some of you were

Were killer, adulterer etc

Were, is that mean some of you still is?

Were, pastent mean not do anymore

But you believe keep killing as long believe in Jesus still go to heaven and judge angel don't you?
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Thats as secure as it gets my friend ,just believe it . simple
 

throughfaith

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I believe every body can save by Jesus as long as they believe in Him

Let me tell you what I think believe mean

I was immigrant worker in mesa AZ, 30 years ago.

There was a gentelmen ask me how to get los angeles ca.

I told him to take 60 west then 10 west.

Did he believe me?

No body know If he believe me or not, until he take action.

If he di what I say, than I know he believe me.

If he the 60 east than I know he didn't believe me.

We ask Jesus how to inherit eternal live
Luke 10

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Jesus never Lie and He agree that for inherit eternal live require

Love God and love other.

If i have 5 gallon water and i love the poor that ask me a cup of water Will i say No.

I love you brother, but I buy this water I Will not give you for free.

How do you know that I love that poor brother. Just because I say I do love him?
Or by my action.

Remember Jesus say to inherit eternal live, one must Love God and other.

Thats mean If you don't love God and other, you not inherit eternal live
Had Jesus Died on the cross for the sins of world and resurrected when he spoke to him ? No he hadn't died for the sins of the world then had he ? Notice he doesn't quote 1 cor 15 ,1-5 or Romans 10.9-10 ( which is the only way we are saved today ) Can I ask you ,when does the new testament start please ?
 

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1 saint Will judge

Is saint also mean killer, adulterer, rober, but believe Jesus as a zGod?

11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Some of you were

Were killer, adulterer etc

Were, is that mean some of you still is?

Were, pastent mean not do anymore

But you believe keep killing as long believe in Jesus still go to heaven and judge angel don't you?
It doesn't mean they cleaned themselves , that they sanctified and justified themselves.
 
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That verse has NOTHING that states anything about losing, keeping or gaining salvation genius...get that through your head...and the only one tap dancing is you pal......and what you cannot grasp, due to being tainted by Catholic dogma is that LOVE is a process of GROWTH AND MATURITY AFTER ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN SAVED ETERNALLY BY FAITH.....but let me tell you....keep on thinking that you have some grand assistance in the salvation given freely and eternally by faith and see how you like the "many group" that believed the same drivel........not a good day for you.
Do you even know what that verse says?
 

throughfaith

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[Sigh]

Same old rebuttal that all devout OSAS’ers are taught.

Hear ye what the Lord says!

Romans 11:20-22 KJV
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you are standing by faith. Do not be highminded, but fear: [21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he does not spare you also. [22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

YOU CAN BE CUT OFF WITH THE UNBELIEVERS TOO!
What your doing is called ' proof texting ' . From the unclear to the clear . Take this verse which the context is about assurance . Rom 8
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37¶Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Then When we are sealed by the Holy Spirit it clearly tells us for how long in eph 4.30 . its until the day of redemption .
we are predestined to The Adoption which is at the end when we are glorified . Its Guaranteed.

But your going to passages that are not about salvation or assurance. Or you go to the old testament before these things change by Jesus death burial and resurrection . Thats not rightly Dividing the scriptures.
 

throughfaith

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1 saint Will judge

Is saint also mean killer, adulterer, rober, but believe Jesus as a zGod?

11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Some of you were

Were killer, adulterer etc

Were, is that mean some of you still is?

Were, pastent mean not do anymore

But you believe keep killing as long believe in Jesus still go to heaven and judge angel don't you?
It sounds like your saying that they were saved by stop killing , stop stealing , stop drinking ect . is that what you believe ? No Jesus needed ?
 
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It sounds like your saying that they were saved by stop killing , stop stealing , stop drinking ect . is that what you believe ?
He is very obsessed with this scenario of Christians killing others after they are saved, thinking "whopee, now I can go on a killing spree and still go to heaven!"

Cue the Purge TV siren! :ROFL:
 

throughfaith

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He is very obsessed with this scenario of Christians killing others after they are saved, thinking "whopee, now I can go on a killing spree and still go to heaven!"

Cue the Purge TV siren! :ROFL:
lol . Yeah thats exactly what I thought when i was first saved . ' yippee I can go on a killing spree now ,yay !!! I figured I was a sinner heading for hell in need of a saviour after I heard the Gospel ..but after realising I was now free to do the very things that ruined my life in the first place , I thought lets start over in sin now I have my golden ticket ,whoop pass me the shot gun ...
 
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lol . Yeah thats exactly what I thought when i was first saved . ' yippee I can go on a killing spree now ,yay !!! I figured I was a sinner heading for hell in need of a saviour after I heard the Gospel ..but after realising I was now free to do the very things that ruined my life in the first place , I thought lets start over in sin now I have my golden ticket ,whoop pass me the shot gun ...
These jokers always come up with these ignorant scenarios and "what if" games in an attempt to undermine or mock eternal security.....they will find out tragically when they stand in the many group begging to enter because of ALL THEY DONE in his name because Jesus needed their help!
 

Jackson123

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11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Thats as secure as it gets my friend ,just believe it . simple
But you are washed

Killer washed mean keep killing?