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I don't know any verse that tells us God can or will take the salvation of the believer away.
Isn't that what repentance is all about if someone falls away? If they were first a Christian in their whole heart and then somehow left the faith, are they damned then?
What happens to all those things God did for to make them a new creation when they accepted Christ? Does God reverse that so the fallen away ones have to start over if they repent?
Isn't that what repentance is all about if someone falls away? If they were first a Christian in their whole heart and then somehow left the faith, are they damned then?
What happens to all those things God did for to make them a new creation when they accepted Christ? Does God reverse that so the fallen away ones have to start over if they repent?
2 Timothy 2:10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory. 11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him; 12 If we endure, we shall also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself.
Acts 3:19-21 had Peter speaking to Israel after being filled with the Holy Spirit, so its God speaking thru him
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
You agree that, to be saved, your sins must be blotted out correct?
Thus, for Israel, their sins "may be" blotted out when Jesus returns for them in his 2nd coming. Its a future event.
Once you are able to recognize this, then what James Peter and John, Jude wrote to Israel in all their letters, at the end of the NT, will make perfect sense.
But you should be glad that, for us in the Body of Christ, Paul tells us we are saved right now by following 1 Cor 15:1-4.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
You agree that, to be saved, your sins must be blotted out correct?
Thus, for Israel, their sins "may be" blotted out when Jesus returns for them in his 2nd coming. Its a future event.
Once you are able to recognize this, then what James Peter and John, Jude wrote to Israel in all their letters, at the end of the NT, will make perfect sense.
But you should be glad that, for us in the Body of Christ, Paul tells us we are saved right now by following 1 Cor 15:1-4.
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No matter what happen,( killing raping, robing etc) a believer can not be lost (still go to heaven)
So you don't agree with
1 cor 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
So you don't agree with
1 cor 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
^^^^ The fruit of Once Saved Always Saved.
No matter what happens a believer cannot be lost. <——— turning the grace of God into lawlessness.
Paul sure wasted a lot of time and energy exhorting believers unto holiness I guess.
No matter what happens a believer cannot be lost. <——— turning the grace of God into lawlessness.
Paul sure wasted a lot of time and energy exhorting believers unto holiness I guess.
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What about the verse that says " all liars will have their part in the lake of fire ?
Revelation 21:8, KJV: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
So if a believer lies , does he go to hell ? or is this a category description of unbelivers . Just like making a distinction saying 'lost v saved ' , Just and the unjust . Saint v sinner , righteous v unrighteous. Now we know that we are righteous , saints , Justified and washed not because of things we have done but what has been done to us and for us . Titus 3.5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
And notice in Romans 3
1There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17And the way of peace have they not known:
18There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Is this a 'description ' of unbelivers and not a criteria for being saved or unsaved . Unless you are saying we can be saved without Jesus and just stop sinning ?
Revelation 21:8, KJV: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
So if a believer lies , does he go to hell ? or is this a category description of unbelivers . Just like making a distinction saying 'lost v saved ' , Just and the unjust . Saint v sinner , righteous v unrighteous. Now we know that we are righteous , saints , Justified and washed not because of things we have done but what has been done to us and for us . Titus 3.5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
And notice in Romans 3
1There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17And the way of peace have they not known:
18There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Is this a 'description ' of unbelivers and not a criteria for being saved or unsaved . Unless you are saying we can be saved without Jesus and just stop sinning ?
I think Like I say before as soon as you believe Jesus is God It doesn't matter what you do you not lose your salvation.
My brother, I am a sinner too, but It doesn't mean I can change the Word.
For Example I am killer, and love other mean not kill.
Now I am going to say killing is loving, to make me like Holy.
I can do It but not going to change the Word. Killing mean not loving
And If you not loving other, mean you not loving zGod and don't expect you go to heaven when you hate God.
I am a sinner and every day I have to repent.
I don't say I always do the Will of God but this is hat Jesus say
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
One more time
I am not say I always do the Will of the Father, I learn to do It. But I don't have the authority to change the Word.
This is more detail how Jesus judge
Matt 25
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Again and again Jesus teach about manifestasi oN of love, not killing or robing, but helping the poor, helping people to know the Lord and tell people how to inherit eternal live.
My brother, I am a sinner too, but It doesn't mean I can change the Word.
For Example I am killer, and love other mean not kill.
Now I am going to say killing is loving, to make me like Holy.
I can do It but not going to change the Word. Killing mean not loving
And If you not loving other, mean you not loving zGod and don't expect you go to heaven when you hate God.
I am a sinner and every day I have to repent.
I don't say I always do the Will of God but this is hat Jesus say
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
One more time
I am not say I always do the Will of the Father, I learn to do It. But I don't have the authority to change the Word.
This is more detail how Jesus judge
Matt 25
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Again and again Jesus teach about manifestasi oN of love, not killing or robing, but helping the poor, helping people to know the Lord and tell people how to inherit eternal live.
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