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Jackson123

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But forgiveness is not because of our actions and response: but because of Jesus' blood sacrifice at Calvary.
So you believe killer keep doing his hoby killing every day as long as not cought by police do not need repent and go to heaven, because forgiveness don't need repent only need blood of Jesus.

Do you believe No body go to hell because forgiveness don't need our action and response?
 
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EleventhHour

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Sorry, you are not getting at all what I am saying above. But that is OK. . .

I believe if a person kills and commits murder - that is sin - and unless that sin is forgiven and cleansed by the blood of Christ - then that person will go to hell. Is that clear enough that you understand?
We are forgiven, justified, cleansed and positionally sanctified when we are born again.
 

Chester

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So you believe killer keep doing his hoby killing every day as long as not cought by police do not need repent and go to heaven, because forgiveness don't need repent only need blood of Jesus.

Do you believe No body go to hell because forgiveness don't need our action and response?
So what do you think a Christian who kills someone needs to do in order to be forgiven and get to heaven?
 

Jackson123

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The "handwriting of ordinances" is the writing of the OT law that was against us and condemned us saying - "you are guilty"! But Jesus' death removed that condemnation that the law brought on the one who was not able to keep it!
I don't full understand what do you mean by law condemned us you are guilty

Do you believe Jesus never condemned and say you are guilty?

Read matt 25 how Jesus say you are guilty and deserve eternal condemnation in hell

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
 

Chester

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We are forgiven, justified, cleansed and positionally sanctified when we are born again.
Agreed, except I would say it is not just "positionally" -- it is reality! And God keeps on sanctifying and making us more like Himself.
 
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EleventhHour

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Agreed, except I would say it is not just "positionally" -- it is reality! And God keeps on sanctifying and making us more like Himself.
And now a commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Acts 20:32

One of many... that is why we are called saints.
 

Jackson123

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So what do you think a Christian who kills someone needs to do in order to be forgiven and get to heaven?
Repent and ask the Lord to forgive and stop killing. Christian is when Jesus in his heart and Jesus Will remind you to do the Will of the Father that is to love not to kill.

In matt 25 Jesus say just because you forget to give the poor a cup of water, you not go to heaven.

Not killing, but only refuse to give a cup of water to the poor, enough to send you to hell

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42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

You say killing don't need repent and go to heaven because forgiveness don't need our response and action

Don't N you read matt 25?

What Jesus say the reason He forgive people oN the right

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Is this verse look like action or not
 
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When Jesus died all of my sins were yet future - quite obviously . . .

And none of those sins were forgiven before I was born - and none of them were forgiven until I put my faith in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus' death made the provision for forgiveness and made it available.

But today the sins of mine yet in the future (and I am likely to commit sins yet in the future) are not forgiven: they are not yet, so there is nothing to forgive: that should be quite obvious. Jesus does not go about selling indulgences so that our future sins are forgiven. But when we do sin, then at that moment in time his blood cleanses us from that sin, and we are forgiven. PTL! Hallelujah!
It’s refreshing to see someone acknowledge they’re likely to sin. I acknowledge it as well.

I’ve heard it argued that Jesus died for the sins of the world, thus all sins are forgiven, except one, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. People who do not believe in Jesus are committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because they’re calling God a liar, hence why they do not have salvation. Scripture seems to support this.
 

Jackson123

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I believe if a person kills and committs murder - that is sin - and unless that sin is forgiven and cleansed by the blood of Christ - then that person will go to hell. Is that clear enough that you understand?
But you believe you don't need to repent and stop killing to be forgiven do t you?

Every time you kill the blood of Jesus clean your sin No need your action No need stop killing, you never lose your salvation only lose your reward, is that what you believe?
 

Jackson123

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It’s refreshing to see someone acknowledge they’re likely to sin. I acknowledge it as well.

I’ve heard it argued that Jesus died for the sins of the world, thus all sins are forgiven, except one, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. People who do not believe in Jesus are committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because they’re calling God a liar, hence why they do not have salvation. Scripture seems to support this.
Do you believe after accepting Jesus you are free to kill without losing your salvation, only lose your reward?
 

Chester

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Repent and ask the Lord to forgive and stop killing. Christian is when Jesus in his heart and Jesus Will remind you to do the Will of the Father that is to love not to kill.

In matt 25 Jesus say just because you forget to give the poor a cup of water, you not go to heaven.

Not killing, but only refuse to give a cup of water to the poor, enough to send you to hell

Matt 25
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

You say killing don't need repent and go to heaven because forgiveness don't need our response and action

Don't N you read matt 25?

What Jesus say the reason He forgive people oN the right

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Is this verse look like action or not
OK, so if a Christian committs murder, but then two hours later he repents and confesses it as sin. What would happen to him if he died during those two hours inbetween?
 

throughfaith

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When Jesus died all of my sins were yet future - quite obviously . . .

And none of those sins were forgiven before I was born - and none of them were forgiven until I put my faith in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus' death made the provision for forgiveness and made it available.

But today the sins of mine yet in the future (and I am likely to commit sins yet in the future) are not forgiven: they are not yet, so there is nothing to forgive: that should be quite obvious. Jesus does not go about selling indulgences so that our future sins are forgiven. But when we do sin, then at that moment in time his blood cleanses us from that sin, and we are forgiven. PTL! Hallelujah!
You keep saying ' forgiven ' .John said behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world ' . He's paid / redeemed / purchased/ condemned / completeky dealt with the sins of the entire cosmos . In the Old testament sins were just forgiven but not redeemed yet . It was a temporary solution pointing to a future fulfilment.Jesus has done it . " it is finished " . All we had to do was believe it and recieve what Jesus has already done . Then we are permanently saved from that moment. Thats good news my friend . Anything less is not good news .
 

Chester

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You keep saying ' forgiven ' .John said behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world ' . He's paid / redeemed / purchased/ condemned / completeky dealt with the sins of the entire cosmos . In the Old testament sins were just forgiven but not redeemed yet . It was a temporary solution pointing to a future fulfilment.
The Greek word for "forgive" is aphieme - which means literally = leave. When I use forgive I mean it as that the sins are gone completely.
 
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Do you believe after accepting Jesus you are free to kill without losing your salvation, only lose your reward?
You can’t lose your salvation. Why do you ask? Are you interested in killing someone?
 

throughfaith

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The Greek word for "forgive" is aphieme - which means literally = leave. When I use forgive I mean it as that the sins are gone completely.
Yes but more than that . Jesus has blotted out what was held against us . All sins are paid . That means past , present and future . The penalty for sins is dealt with ( " it is finished ") but sadly not the consequences. That won't be finished until we see Jesus . We still have this body of death . But sin is no longer an issue in terms of the barrier between man and God . The penalty of sins is paid .
 

Chester

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Yes but more than that . Jesus has blotted out what was held against us . All sins are paid . That means past , present and future . The penalty for sins is dealt with ( " it is finished ") but sadly not the consequences. That won't be finished until we see Jesus . We still have this body of death . But sin is no longer an issue in terms of the barrier between man and God . The penalty of sins is paid .
So then you believe that all people are saved because sin in no longer an issue? Everyone everywhere need not worry about sin because sin is no longer an issue? Past, present, and future sins of all the world are dealt with. The "Hitlars" in the world need not worry because the barrier between man and God is gone!?
 

throughfaith

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So then you believe that all people are saved because sin in no longer an issue? Everyone everywhere need not worry about sin because sin is no longer an issue? Past, present, and future sins of all the world are dealt with. The "Hitlars" in the world need not worry because the barrier between man and God is gone!?
Is everyone Glorified? Sins are no longer the issue ,Jesus dealt with that ..The resurrection also dealt with another crucial component of salvation. Glorification. No one can be glorified unless they RECIEVE the atonement. Rom 5.11
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW RECIEVED atonement.
Although every single person has had there sins dealt with on the cross ,this is of no benefit if they do not recieve Jesus . John 1.12
12But as many as RECIEVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that BELIEVE on his name:
No one is going to pay for there own sins . How could they , Jesus has already done it . Sadly people go to a place not created for humans, but the devil and his angels . They go there no to pay for sins , but because they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved . Jesus is the only way . The access to the grace is through faith .
 

Chester

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Is everyone Glorified? Sins are no longer the issue ,Jesus dealt with that ..The resurrection also dealt with another crucial component of salvation. Glorification. No one can be glorified unless they RECIEVE the atonement. Rom 5.11
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW RECIEVED atonement.
Although every single person has had there sins dealt with on the cross ,this is of no benefit if they do not recieve Jesus . John 1.12
12But as many as RECIEVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that BELIEVE on his name:
No one is going to pay for there own sins . How could they , Jesus has already done it . Sadly people go to a place not created for humans, but the devil and his angels . They go there no to pay for sins , but because they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved . Jesus is the only way . The access to the grace is through faith .
It sounds like on the issues you mention above I would basically agree with you: I might say it in a different way.
 
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Hi @dcontroversal ...
Thank you for at least acknowledging my post , but I want to ask you Who is the us that I have turned against ? , I have turned against no one , I have been reading the Word and seeing things deeper than what is under the ink...
I have been learning Scripture and would like to sometimes ask questions , but to be honest as I have said in another thread , the thought of being attacked for what I am finding , keeps me holding close to my heart for it being trampled on by you and your followers , but I do not see how I have been turned against you , and who has turned me against you ?...

Should you no longer come along side of me , your sister in Christ to explain with answer to my question that I posted above , instead I feel as if you through me a side instead of helping me , that is not very brotherly , we should help each other in love and truth , but you chose to disregard me...

And @EleventhHour , could you not find in your heart to use the agree symbol or like symbol on DC post , no , you would rather use the great ribbon symbol , the medal symbol , and I believe it delights your heart , and that is sad , you also could of come a long side of me and helped by given an answer to my honest question , but you to left me wondering , your action speak for itself...
Now you are speaking just like the one leading you astray into a cult....make no mistake, Calvinism is a divisive cult and you are being swept away into it by a deceiver Rose........
 

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Believe as you will, they are from "Reformed" circles as well.
And you have judge my heart and motives... this is typical of what happens.
I judged your attitude from my own viewing ...
Goodness me , what have these men got to do with that lol , you saying " This is what happens " , may we both grow in grace...