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J
Crying in itself doesn't save you, but crying out to God because you realize you are a sinner and you believe upon Him for salvation, does save.
it is a fine point I suppose. Washer probably believes it is impossible for anyone to believe and therefore thinks that God has to pick you.
Like I said, I don't believe in all the conclusions of Calvinism, but I have been ministered to by some of Washer's preaching, but I see it through a different lense than he might actually try to be implying.
it is a fine point I suppose. Washer probably believes it is impossible for anyone to believe and therefore thinks that God has to pick you.
Like I said, I don't believe in all the conclusions of Calvinism, but I have been ministered to by some of Washer's preaching, but I see it through a different lense than he might actually try to be implying.
K
I find it odd when people say Calvinism justifies sin or promotes sinful living, when one of the main points of Calvinism is Perseverance of the Saints. Perseverance of the Saints teaches that one cannot be saved and continue on living a sinful life (''for their fruit you will know them''). Lukewarm Christians usually don't feel very comfortable with this teaching.
K
Okay so your seated in it and nothing I or anyone else will say will convince you. but, consider Paul in Romans 7, wher He say's that he was captive, That means bondage, and that means sin.
You are probably not aware of the term sin nature nor the divine nature nor the law of the Spirit, but it 's all right there in Romans 6,7,8 and Corinthians and Galatians. It;s about faith in the cross. Take up your cross daily, today is the day of salvation, that means everyday.
K
Can you explain what you are trying to refute? In your post you claimed Calvinists only want to justify their sin, and I wanted to know what made you say that. Nowhere in my post did I mention Romans 7, neither did I deny that Paul said he was in bondage of sin, so I'm confused as to what you're trying to prove.
K
By the way, Romans 7 further backs up Irresistible Grace and Total Depravity, as it says '' We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin''(v.14). Naturally, we are slaves to sin, and we don't desire to do good. And then further in that same chapter, Paul adds the solution (God's grace) by saying: ''What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law (a renewed mind), but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.''(v.24-25)
K
well Calvinism boast that once saved always saved and that is true to a point. I meant, Jesus would leave the 99 and go get the one , but if refused, He will not override your will. Calvinism also goes to the point that your are perfect and cannot sin as taught in the dutch south African churches and in Europe and in America. This is all false.
K
I think that's actually what you think Calvinism teaches, but that's not the actual teaching. And it's called Perseverance of the Saints, not Once Saved Always Saved (which is true though). Perseverance of the Saints teaches what the Bible teaches, that once a sinner is saved, he is saved indeed, and that he will persevere in the faith, not by hiw own merit but by God's grace. Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith, not men. I didn't start my faith, and I will not perfect it. It is ALL by God's grace.
On a side note, I've never seen a legit Calvinist claiming believers are sinless. The Bible would easily disproof that claim.
On a side note, I've never seen a legit Calvinist claiming believers are sinless. The Bible would easily disproof that claim.
K
That's more like it. I will say that once you are saved it is a difficult thing to do to lose it, but it is possible if one persist, but that is a ruff and tough life. Your version may be close to the truth, But the majority run wild with it. Much like the word of faith, There is some truth to what they teach, but run wild with it. The safest thing is to cling to the work of the cross and not let go of it. I meant, Satan used a little truth mixed with a lie to deceive Eve.
The Southern Baptist Convention has been a mess for decades. If the Calvinists want it I say let them have it. It will keep them both busy and let the rest of us go about the work of evangelizing the lost and teaching sound doctrine to equip the new believers to serve Christ.
If you are in the Southern Baptist Convention get out. Their schools have been a hot bed of apostasy for longer then most here have been alive.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If you are in the Southern Baptist Convention get out. Their schools have been a hot bed of apostasy for longer then most here have been alive.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Since we're taking an ax to the trees let's hear what ya'll have to say about the Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, Methodists, Lutheran, Catholics, Jehovah's Witness, and WBC Churches. Just for giggles, because we all love to do this on our spare time.
"Pentecostal Churches are bad because they focus too much on being like Christ, Holy and Spirit led, and they baptize in Jesus' name, talk in tongues, and worship God like it's nobodies business."
"The Assembly of God Churches are stale and not are not really going anywhere, They have some crazy youth ministries that bring young folks to a closer understanding of God."
"Methodist churches, Don't even want to go there!"
"Catholic Churches, let's not encourage giving and self sacrificing like they do, because we don't want to suffer so others can cease suffering."
"Those Jehovah's whitnesses, they're horrible! They go from door to door and approach strangers with what they believe is the truth much more than we do with the actual truth, we can't have that. They're out doing us let's focus on their indoctrination instead, like no one will notice."
"Those Westboros are making such a bad name for us, we can't even recognize that they've grasped a biblical truth. God's Severity. No we can't have that! God is Love love love all of the time! Let's show how they've blown up God's severity to the point where no body likes them at all so we don't have to recognize that God is a just weight, both severe and loving."
That's a good start. Sarcasm's a bit stale. All well.
"Pentecostal Churches are bad because they focus too much on being like Christ, Holy and Spirit led, and they baptize in Jesus' name, talk in tongues, and worship God like it's nobodies business."
"The Assembly of God Churches are stale and not are not really going anywhere, They have some crazy youth ministries that bring young folks to a closer understanding of God."
"Methodist churches, Don't even want to go there!"
"Catholic Churches, let's not encourage giving and self sacrificing like they do, because we don't want to suffer so others can cease suffering."
"Those Jehovah's whitnesses, they're horrible! They go from door to door and approach strangers with what they believe is the truth much more than we do with the actual truth, we can't have that. They're out doing us let's focus on their indoctrination instead, like no one will notice."
"Those Westboros are making such a bad name for us, we can't even recognize that they've grasped a biblical truth. God's Severity. No we can't have that! God is Love love love all of the time! Let's show how they've blown up God's severity to the point where no body likes them at all so we don't have to recognize that God is a just weight, both severe and loving."
That's a good start. Sarcasm's a bit stale. All well.
